Attempted Murder?
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Murder? I don't know any context, but that looks more like negligent homicide to me (if the person would have died) - the goal was presumably to stop the person, not to kill it.
@klaus said in Attempted Murder?:
Murder? I don't know any context, but that looks more like negligent homicide to me (if the person would have died) - the goal was presumably to stop the person, not to kill it.
I agree attempted murder is a stretch -- it's not like he ran him over and then backed up again.
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This is pretty common, to use the vehicle to stop a fleeing suspect. They were only injured (not killed), I don't see anything too bad here, honestly. My favorite part was the "get on the ground!" command he yelled getting out of his squad car afterwards...... yeah, pretty sure he's on the ground.
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This is pretty common, to use the vehicle to stop a fleeing suspect. They were only injured (not killed), I don't see anything too bad here, honestly. My favorite part was the "get on the ground!" command he yelled getting out of his squad car afterwards...... yeah, pretty sure he's on the ground.
@89th I'm not sure about the "attempted murder" part - at all.
However, the vehicle can be considered a lethal weapon, and he used it against someone who was fleeing and posed no immediate threat to the cop
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Who knows if the suspect was armed, but either way, I don't see this much different than a really strong tackle by a cop, or even how cops do the pit maneuver. All are dangerous but stop the pursuit. Maybe don't run from a cop.
@89th said in Attempted Murder?:
I don't see this much different than a really strong tackle by a cop
Hitting the guy with a two-ton vehicle is hardly a "tackle."
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@89th said in Attempted Murder?:
I don't see this much different than a really strong tackle by a cop
Hitting the guy with a two-ton vehicle is hardly a "tackle."
@george-k said in Attempted Murder?:
@89th said in Attempted Murder?:
I don't see this much different than a really strong tackle by a cop
Hitting the guy with a two-ton vehicle is hardly a "tackle."
Just ask Jolly about some of those LSU linebackers.
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A fractured spine, ribs, and both legs and you equate it with a tackle? Nice.
The guy was being pulled over due to a license plate issue. Don’t know what he was running for, but he was never charged with anything.
Running from the police? Bad idea. Running over somebody because you think they might be a bad guy? Worse idea.
You want to honor and respect police? Great, so do I. But with that honor and respect comes higher standards of conduct.
The Brad
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A fractured spine, ribs, and both legs and you equate it with a tackle? Nice.
The guy was being pulled over due to a license plate issue. Don’t know what he was running for, but he was never charged with anything.
Running from the police? Bad idea. Running over somebody because you think they might be a bad guy? Worse idea.
You want to honor and respect police? Great, so do I. But with that honor and respect comes higher standards of conduct.
@lufins-dad He wasn't run over, he was shoved (hard). Which stopped him from fleeing police. I guess they could've gotten out and asked him to stop very very loudly? Maybe they should bring back the net gun, that would've worked, too.
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A fractured spine, ribs, and both legs and you equate it with a tackle? Nice.
The guy was being pulled over due to a license plate issue. Don’t know what he was running for, but he was never charged with anything.
Running from the police? Bad idea. Running over somebody because you think they might be a bad guy? Worse idea.
You want to honor and respect police? Great, so do I. But with that honor and respect comes higher standards of conduct.
@lufins-dad said in Attempted Murder?:
You want to honor and respect police? Great, so do I. But with that honor and respect comes higher standards of conduct.
Yeah, it's pretty hard to respect somebody who thinks it's ok to act like that guy did.
A uniform doesn't automatically mean we should respect somebody. I'm sure we can all think of examples of people wearing very nice uniforms who didn't deserve it....
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@lufins-dad He wasn't run over, he was shoved (hard). Which stopped him from fleeing police. I guess they could've gotten out and asked him to stop very very loudly? Maybe they should bring back the net gun, that would've worked, too.
@89th said in Attempted Murder?:
@lufins-dad He wasn't run over, he was shoved (hard). Which stopped him from fleeing police. I guess they could've gotten out and asked him to stop very very loudly? Maybe they should bring back the net gun, that would've worked, too.
A broken spine, broken ribs, and broken legs and you refer to that as a “shove”? In the words of that wonderful non-lying President, “Come on, Man!”
As to what the officer what else the officer could have done, there’s a whole long list of things that he was supposed to do, including letting the asshat get away if necessary. Lethal Weapon is a fun movie, but a whole lot less fun if acted out in real life.
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That wasn't a shove. That was a pretty vicious assault.
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A shove is a "rough push" and I said it was a "hard shove" which means it was a "hard rough push". Ok I'm splitting hairs... yes cop's car was going faster than other videos where I've seen a cop stop a fleeing suspect on foot by hitting them with their car. Still, I don't really have a problem with it and would prefer what we saw in the video than a fleeing criminal getting away. To be clear, had the criminal died... the cop would likely have been found guilty of some form of manslaughter, so maybe slow down a bit next time.
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@lufins-dad He wasn't run over, he was shoved (hard). Which stopped him from fleeing police. I guess they could've gotten out and asked him to stop very very loudly? Maybe they should bring back the net gun, that would've worked, too.
@89th said in Attempted Murder?:
Maybe they should bring back the net gun, that would've worked, too.
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