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    Horace
    wrote on 25 May 2020, 21:59 last edited by
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    Ok then. For the record, I am betting that the CDC model will be a better predictor of future national numbers than the NYC numbers will be. I could certainly be wrong. I assume your bet is the opposite?

    Education is extremely important.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 25 May 2020, 22:02 last edited by
      #52

      CDC is using the higher NY number

      I can’t upload the screen shot because it’s too big

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 25 May 2020, 22:02 last edited by
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        No I think they’re wrong by minimum a factor of 2.

        My guess is 0.5<IFR<0.75

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          Horace
          wrote on 25 May 2020, 22:18 last edited by
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          I assume the fatality rate will inevitably decrease after the first wave of infections, since those who were at the bleeding edge of risk will have already died or become immune.

          Education is extremely important.

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            25 May 2020, 22:02

            No I think they’re wrong by minimum a factor of 2.

            My guess is 0.5<IFR<0.75

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 13 Jul 2020, 16:58 last edited by jon-nyc
            #55

            @jon-nyc said in CDC revises fatality rate:

            No I think they’re wrong by minimum a factor of 2.

            My guess is 0.5<IFR<0.75

            CDC revised the estimate again. As a reminder, in the first post of this thread, their 'best estimate' scenario had an IFR of 0.25. Their new update, published Friday, increased it to 0.65%, smack in the middle of my range.

            https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              13 Jul 2020, 16:58

              @jon-nyc said in CDC revises fatality rate:

              No I think they’re wrong by minimum a factor of 2.

              My guess is 0.5<IFR<0.75

              CDC revised the estimate again. As a reminder, in the first post of this thread, their 'best estimate' scenario had an IFR of 0.25. Their new update, published Friday, increased it to 0.65%, smack in the middle of my range.

              https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

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              Loki
              wrote on 13 Jul 2020, 17:01 last edited by
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              @jon-nyc said in CDC revises fatality rate:

              @jon-nyc said in CDC revises fatality rate:

              My guess is 0.5<IFR<0.75

              CDC revised the estimate again. As a reminder, in the first post of this thread, their 'best estimate' scenario had an IFR of 0.4. Their new update, published Friday, increased it to 0.65%, smack in the middle of my range.

              https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

              I’ll take credit too as the Diamond Princess example I was using very early on seems to have stood the test of time.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 13 Jul 2020, 17:08 last edited by jon-nyc
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                You're being a bit too generous with yourself. You were touting the DP when there were only 6 or 7 fatalities and pointed out that it needed to be adjusted downward because of the age distribution on the ship. You pushed back repeatedly when I pointed out how many of the cases weren't resolved yet.

                Now there are 13 deaths out of 712 cases, for an IFR of 1.8%.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 13 Jul 2020, 17:12 last edited by
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                  Screen Shot 2020-07-13 at 1.12.26 PM.png

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    13 Jul 2020, 16:58

                    @jon-nyc said in CDC revises fatality rate:

                    No I think they’re wrong by minimum a factor of 2.

                    My guess is 0.5<IFR<0.75

                    CDC revised the estimate again. As a reminder, in the first post of this thread, their 'best estimate' scenario had an IFR of 0.25. Their new update, published Friday, increased it to 0.65%, smack in the middle of my range.

                    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 13 Jul 2020, 17:19 last edited by
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                    @jon-nyc said in CDC revises fatality rate:

                    @jon-nyc said in CDC revises fatality rate:

                    No I think they’re wrong by minimum a factor of 2.

                    My guess is 0.5<IFR<0.75

                    CDC revised the estimate again. As a reminder, in the first post of this thread, their 'best estimate' scenario had an IFR of 0.25. Their new update, published Friday, increased it to 0.65%, smack in the middle of my range.

                    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

                    Good job jon.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      13 Jul 2020, 17:08

                      You're being a bit too generous with yourself. You were touting the DP when there were only 6 or 7 fatalities and pointed out that it needed to be adjusted downward because of the age distribution on the ship. You pushed back repeatedly when I pointed out how many of the cases weren't resolved yet.

                      Now there are 13 deaths out of 712 cases, for an IFR of 1.8%.

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                      Loki
                      wrote on 13 Jul 2020, 18:19 last edited by
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                      @jon-nyc said in CDC revises fatality rate:

                      You're being a bit too generous with yourself. You were touting the DP when there were only 6 or 7 fatalities and pointed out that it needed to be adjusted downward because of the age distribution on the ship. You pushed back repeatedly when I pointed out how many of the cases weren't resolved yet.

                      Now there are 13 deaths out of 712 cases, for an IFR of 1.8%.

                      Sorry but that is not age adjusted.

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                        Loki
                        wrote on 13 Jul 2020, 18:24 last edited by
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                        New NHS study of 17M tracked over 3 months

                        Summary
                        Age 80 -20 times more likely to die than in your 50’s
                        -100 times more likely to die than under 40

                        Men 59% more likely to die

                        Death rates:

                        18-39. .06%
                        40-49. .30%
                        50-59. 1%
                        60-69. 2.4%
                        70-79. 6.08%
                        80+. 20.61%

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                          13 Jul 2020, 18:24

                          New NHS study of 17M tracked over 3 months

                          Summary
                          Age 80 -20 times more likely to die than in your 50’s
                          -100 times more likely to die than under 40

                          Men 59% more likely to die

                          Death rates:

                          18-39. .06%
                          40-49. .30%
                          50-59. 1%
                          60-69. 2.4%
                          70-79. 6.08%
                          80+. 20.61%

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                          Aqua Letifer
                          wrote on 13 Jul 2020, 18:38 last edited by
                          #62

                          @Loki said in CDC revises fatality rate:

                          New NHS study of 17M tracked over 3 months

                          Summary
                          Age 80 -20 times more likely to die than in your 50’s
                          -100 times more likely to die than under 40

                          Men 59% more likely to die

                          Death rates:

                          18-39. .06%
                          40-49. .30%
                          50-59. 1%
                          60-69. 2.4%
                          70-79. 6.08%
                          80+. 20.61%

                          Cite?

                          Please love yourself.

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                          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer
                            13 Jul 2020, 18:38

                            @Loki said in CDC revises fatality rate:

                            New NHS study of 17M tracked over 3 months

                            Summary
                            Age 80 -20 times more likely to die than in your 50’s
                            -100 times more likely to die than under 40

                            Men 59% more likely to die

                            Death rates:

                            18-39. .06%
                            40-49. .30%
                            50-59. 1%
                            60-69. 2.4%
                            70-79. 6.08%
                            80+. 20.61%

                            Cite?

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                            Loki
                            wrote on 13 Jul 2020, 18:52 last edited by
                            #63

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in CDC revises fatality rate:

                            @Loki said in CDC revises fatality rate:

                            New NHS study of 17M tracked over 3 months

                            Summary
                            Age 80 -20 times more likely to die than in your 50’s
                            -100 times more likely to die than under 40

                            Men 59% more likely to die

                            Death rates:

                            18-39. .06%
                            40-49. .30%
                            50-59. 1%
                            60-69. 2.4%
                            70-79. 6.08%
                            80+. 20.61%

                            Cite?

                            https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/health/coronavirus-risk-factors.html

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