A year's worth of suicide attempts
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You are right that government policy is one thing, and what would voluntarily do another thing (self-imposed isolation etc.). However, the two are not independent. Government and media paint a picture. That picture has a huge influence on what the public does. If they'd paint a different picture, the public would, at least in part, behave differently. Also, people do behave differently in countries with no or less strict lockdown policies (Sweden etc.). The economy is going down everywhere, regardless of lockdown policy, but that is mainly because nobody is spared from a global economic crisis.
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Again, the staying-at-home is mostly caused by the threat of the virus and not specific government orders.
This is a recurring type of denialism that has forever coursed through the arguments of the covid doves - that getting back to pre-virus life is simply a matter of issuing the right executive order.
(And I mean denialism in the psychological sense, not any reference to ‘climate denialism’)
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First of all, you’d have to be more specific- what policies? I don’t think I’ve ever commented on stay at home orders. I don’t they have much effect on behavior. At least the CA variety where anything you’d realistically go out for is excluded from the policy.
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Other policies about business closures - I’ve often made the point that the demand collapse seems to be mostly a bottom-up phenomenon, but that’s an empirical observation based on data that wasn’t available in early March when these policies were initially being implemented.
I was open to the idea that Sweden’s economy would continue apace. It just turned out not to be the case.
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After the stay-at-home order I stayed home more than I would have, but that was probably more due to the virus than the order.
The front page of the paper today says that the Governor is thinking about making masks mandatory whenever you go out.
I just sat around the patio after a golf game with a group of 28 golfers. None were wearing masks. I can't imagine any of them wearing a mask if the governor makes them mandatory.
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In the CDC’s worst case scenario if you are under 50 statistically you have a 99.9% chance of surviving Covid infection. We have completely upended people’s livelihood and lifestyles and forced them to rewrite their future prospects.
Now why would we think we would have mental health concerns. I mean I would rather stay home as a millennial if there was a .01% chance of dying because that’s what they taught me on TV and in college.
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I believe people's thinking about Covid and what to do about it is informed by self-interest and group-think foremost. "What's best for society", however one defines that, isn't really part of the picture, even if everybody swears up and down that it totally is. It's been interesting to watch the group-think enforced by the relentless framing of the debate as sane vs crazy, smart vs stupid. I don't need to tell anybody which side is which in our current cultural narrative.
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I believe people's thinking about Covid and what to do about it is informed by self-interest and group-think foremost. "What's best for society", however one defines that, isn't really part of the picture, even if everybody swears up and down that it totally is. It's been interesting to watch the group-think enforced by the relentless framing of the debate as sane vs crazy, smart vs stupid. I don't need to tell anybody which side is which in our current cultural narrative.
@Horace said in A year's worth of suicide attempts:
I believe people's thinking about Covid and what to do about it is informed by self-interest and group-think foremost. "What's best for society", however one defines that, isn't really part of the picture, even if everybody swears up and down that it totally is. It's been interesting to watch the group-think enforced by the relentless framing of the debate as sane vs crazy, smart vs stupid. I don't need to tell anybody which side is which in our current cultural narrative.
It is curious to me that the narrative around science rarely talks about %’s and real risk factors that a person can relate to. It’s always raw numbers and then of course the young people but without what %. I’d like to make my own assessment of what % chance I have of going bankrupt and not having a career and family to provide for vs % chance of dying if I venture out.
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Young healthy folk who are losing by this shut down have every reason to believe they are sacrificing of themselves for others. But they're just expected to do it without so much as a thank you because it's the only sane and smart option. So says the narrative.
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Young healthy folk who are losing by this shut down have every reason to believe they are sacrificing of themselves for others. But they're just expected to do it without so much as a thank you because it's the only sane and smart option. So says the narrative.
@Horace said in A year's worth of suicide attempts:
Young healthy folk who are losing by this shut down have every reason to believe they are sacrificing of themselves for others. But they're just expected to do it without so much as a thank you because it's the only sane and smart option.
It will be good practice for parenthood.
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Based on Fauci’s recent comments I think he looked at the science behind the economics of the shutdown and went “oh shit”.
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If having to stay in the house is all it takes to make you want to kill yourself, you've got bigger problems than just being depressed.
We live in a world filled with pussy men. Our ancestors had to worry about their kid getting sent off to war. Now all it takes to scare one of these pussy men is to tell him he has to stay at home and play video games..
We need to thin the herd.
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In the CDC’s worst case scenario if you are under 50 statistically you have a 99.9% chance of surviving Covid infection. We have completely upended people’s livelihood and lifestyles and forced them to rewrite their future prospects.
Now why would we think we would have mental health concerns. I mean I would rather stay home as a millennial if there was a .01% chance of dying because that’s what they taught me on TV and in college.
@Loki said in A year's worth of suicide attempts:
We have completely upended people’s livelihood and lifestyles and forced them to rewrite their future prospects.
Who’s ‘we’? You got a virus in your pocket?
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@Loki said in A year's worth of suicide attempts:
We have completely upended people’s livelihood and lifestyles and forced them to rewrite their future prospects.
Who’s ‘we’? You got a virus in your pocket?
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You know, lack of access to worship has a big part to do with this, I'm sure that @Jolly would agree.
