Student loans
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@renauda said in Student loans:
And your car depreciates over time.
But then, so do some people’s brains.Yeah, but with potentially more consequences.
Or fewer.
Whatever.
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@jon-nyc said in Student loans:
The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.
Want to bet? Median household annual income tax paid is $15K, with a Median effective income tax rate of 13.9%. That puts the median tax follar coming from households making roughly $105,000, smack dab in the middle of Joe the Plumbee territory…
@lufins-dad said in Student loans:
@jon-nyc said in Student loans:
The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.
Want to bet? Median household annual income tax paid is $15K, with a Median effective income tax rate of 13.9%. That puts the median tax follar coming from households making roughly $105,000, smack dab in the middle of Joe the Plumbee territory…
According to the chart in this article, 40% of taxes are paid by the top 5% of earners. Median tax dollar wouldn't be far behind that, probably paid by a 93%er or so.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/fact-check-richest-1-dont-pay-40-of-the-taxes.html
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Student loan forgiveness program expanded:
Basic requirement seems to be (1) work a public service job, and (2) have made payments for 10 years … then the rest of your student loan may be forgiven. Recent changes seem to have relaxed the rules that determine which jobs count as public service jobs. According to the article: “ … jobs are considered public service based on who your employer is, not based on your job title.”
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Student loan forgiveness program expanded:
Basic requirement seems to be (1) work a public service job, and (2) have made payments for 10 years … then the rest of your student loan may be forgiven. Recent changes seem to have relaxed the rules that determine which jobs count as public service jobs. According to the article: “ … jobs are considered public service based on who your employer is, not based on your job title.”
@Axtremus said in Student loans:
Student loan forgiveness program expanded:
Basic requirement seems to be (1) work a public service job, and (2) have made payments for 10 years … then the rest of your student loan may be forgiven. Recent changes seem to have relaxed the rules that determine which jobs count as public service jobs. According to the article: “ … jobs are considered public service based on who your employer is, not based on your job title.”
More incentive to work a government job, as if pensions weren't enough?
"Public service" is of course a misnomer if it's supposed to mean anything in comparison to the private sector. But I suppose it takes a basic understanding of capitalism to understand how the private sector is a public service. Basic understandings of capitalism are in short supply these days.
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"public service" sounds so much better than "government job"
My dad worked for the government pretty much his whole working life, but I don't think he saw it as 'service'. Terrible salary, great pension.
I was only joking
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"public service" sounds so much better than "government job"
My dad worked for the government pretty much his whole working life, but I don't think he saw it as 'service'. Terrible salary, great pension.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Student loans:
"public service" sounds so much better than "government job"
My dad worked for the government pretty much his whole working life, but I don't think he saw it as 'service'. Terrible salary, great pension.
How much more would he have made in the private sector for doing what he did? Assuming the private sector had such jobs.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Student loans:
"public service" sounds so much better than "government job"
My dad worked for the government pretty much his whole working life, but I don't think he saw it as 'service'. Terrible salary, great pension.
How much more would he have made in the private sector for doing what he did? Assuming the private sector had such jobs.
@Horace said in Student loans:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Student loans:
"public service" sounds so much better than "government job"
My dad worked for the government pretty much his whole working life, but I don't think he saw it as 'service'. Terrible salary, great pension.
How much more would he have made in the private sector for doing what he did? Assuming the private sector had such jobs.
It's hard to say. He absolutely loved his job. He worked for the Atomic Energy Authority as a research scientist. He was a very smart guy, but I'm not sure he'd have suited the commercial sector.
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I paid my own way through college. I worked. When i graduated I owed nothing.
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"public service" sounds so much better than "government job"
My dad worked for the government pretty much his whole working life, but I don't think he saw it as 'service'. Terrible salary, great pension.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Student loans:
"public service" sounds so much better than "government job"
My dad worked for the government pretty much his whole working life, but I don't think he saw it as 'service'. Terrible salary, great pension.
Middlin' salary, good pension.
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@Larry said in Student loans:
I paid my own way through college. I worked. When i graduated I owed nothing.
I had scholarships, grants, and fellowships pay for all my degrees (except for about $8K in student loans for my undergrad). I got lucky, and doubt I could do it again...
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@Larry said in Student loans:
I paid my own way through college. I worked. When i graduated I owed nothing.
I did that for undergrad in Canada (well partially, I had a few thousand in loans). Unless you get a full scholarship - that seems impossible for many schools in the U.S. now (The sticker price is $200K for many undergrad and professional degrees)
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My parents paid for three state college 4 year degrees. They were comfortable but not well off. No way the equivalent position could do that today unless they were crazy savers most of their lives.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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My parents paid for three state college 4 year degrees. They were comfortable but not well off. No way the equivalent position could do that today unless they were crazy savers most of their lives.
@jon-nyc said in Student loans:
My parents paid for three state college 4 year degrees. They were comfortable but not well off. No way the equivalent position could do that today unless they were crazy savers most of their lives.
Yeah but the value of the education is so much greater these days. You get what you pay for.
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White House Plan: $10,000 per borrower
White House officials are currently planning to cancel $10,000 in student debt per borrower, after months of internal deliberations over how to structure loan forgiveness for tens of millions of Americans, three people with knowledge of the matter said.
President Biden had hoped to make the announcement as soon as this weekend at the University of Delaware commencement, the people said, but that timing has changed after the massacre Tuesday in Texas.
The White House’s latest plans called for limiting debt forgiveness to Americans who earned less than $150,000 in the previous year, or less than $300,000 for married couples filing jointly, two of the people said. It was unclear whether the administration will simultaneously require interest and payments to resume at the end of August, when the current pause is scheduled to lapse.Wiping out $10,000 of debt per borrower could cost roughly $230 billion, according to estimates by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a nonpartisan think tank. However, restarting payments for borrowers, which have been on hold since March 2020, would bring additional money into federal coffers. The think tank said in March that pausing payments had cost the federal government $100 billion and would run around $50 billion per year to maintain. The Washington Post had previously reported that the administration was considering making only undergraduate debt eligible for forgiveness.
