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wrote on 3 Dec 2021, 15:54 last edited by
@mik said in Most Kills:
ME-262
Over the course of the war, Me 262s are believed to have shot down 542 Allied aircraft while losing only 100 jets. One German pilot later said that fighting in an Me 262 "was like being a god in a way."
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A couple things - first, that chart really shows the material destruction that was WWII.
Second - the Finns must have been desperate. Would you go to war in a Fiat fighter plane?
wrote on 3 Dec 2021, 17:13 last edited by@mik said in Most Kills:
that chart really shows the material destruction that was WWII.
Indeed... WWI (and even moreso WWII with the advances in weapons/planes) came at a unique time where we had bigger and more deadly weapons while still having multi-country conflicts where "killing more soldiers than the other side kills yours" is basically what determined the winner.
Now with tech, drones, economic impacts, and international organizations... seeing that much destruction and carnage only comes from natural disasters (tsunamis, pandemics, etc).
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@mik said in Most Kills:
that chart really shows the material destruction that was WWII.
Indeed... WWI (and even moreso WWII with the advances in weapons/planes) came at a unique time where we had bigger and more deadly weapons while still having multi-country conflicts where "killing more soldiers than the other side kills yours" is basically what determined the winner.
Now with tech, drones, economic impacts, and international organizations... seeing that much destruction and carnage only comes from natural disasters (tsunamis, pandemics, etc).
wrote on 3 Dec 2021, 17:35 last edited by kluurs 12 Mar 2021, 17:36@89th said in Most Kills:
@mik said in Most Kills:
that chart really shows the material destruction that was WWII.
Now with tech, drones, economic impacts, and international organizations... seeing that much destruction and carnage only comes from natural disasters (tsunamis, pandemics, etc).
One wonders about what a battle would look like fighting a country like China. They could use a mass of mini-drones to attack any infantry position or armored column for that matter. The face of war will be very different next time around. AND even little countries could do this on a smaller scale - i.e. explosive device attached to a do-it-yourself drone could take out a sniper position or a command headquarters. Terrorism in the next round will also be different - no need for a suicide bomber if you can send the explosives over with a remote control drone bought off the internet.
Maybe TNCR should do a 365 a day calendar of "things to think about to keep you up at night..."
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@89th said in Most Kills:
@mik said in Most Kills:
that chart really shows the material destruction that was WWII.
Now with tech, drones, economic impacts, and international organizations... seeing that much destruction and carnage only comes from natural disasters (tsunamis, pandemics, etc).
One wonders about what a battle would look like fighting a country like China. They could use a mass of mini-drones to attack any infantry position or armored column for that matter. The face of war will be very different next time around. AND even little countries could do this on a smaller scale - i.e. explosive device attached to a do-it-yourself drone could take out a sniper position or a command headquarters. Terrorism in the next round will also be different - no need for a suicide bomber if you can send the explosives over with a remote control drone bought off the internet.
Maybe TNCR should do a 365 a day calendar of "things to think about to keep you up at night..."
wrote on 3 Dec 2021, 17:58 last edited by@kluurs If there was a full blown war between US and China (which I think would never happen based on international/economic pressure), you are right, it would be flush with drones, heck even satellite-based warfare, and hopefully the avoidance of nukes.
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A couple things - first, that chart really shows the material destruction that was WWII.
Second - the Finns must have been desperate. Would you go to war in a Fiat fighter plane?
wrote on 3 Dec 2021, 20:55 last edited by Renauda 12 Mar 2021, 20:59@mik said in Most Kills:
A couple things - first, that chart really shows the material destruction that was WWII.
Second - the Finns must have been desperate. Would you go to war in a Fiat fighter plane?
Finns used any and all aircraft they could get their hands on- German, British, Soviet and apparently, Italian. Not sure if they had any US aircraft. I doubt it. I know the Brits shipped them a number of Hurricanes and they captured quite a few Soviet aircraft. Germans supplied some after June 1941.
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@mik said in Most Kills:
A couple things - first, that chart really shows the material destruction that was WWII.
Second - the Finns must have been desperate. Would you go to war in a Fiat fighter plane?
Finns used any and all aircraft they could get their hands on- German, British, Soviet and apparently, Italian. Not sure if they had any US aircraft. I doubt it. I know the Brits shipped them a number of Hurricanes and they captured quite a few Soviet aircraft. Germans supplied some after June 1941.
wrote on 4 Dec 2021, 10:52 last edited by Jolly 12 Apr 2021, 10:55@renauda said in Most Kills:
Link to video@mik said in Most Kills:
A couple things - first, that chart really shows the material destruction that was WWII.
Second - the Finns must have been desperate. Would you go to war in a Fiat fighter plane?
Finns used any and all aircraft they could get their hands on- German, British, Soviet and apparently, Italian. Not sure if they had any US aircraft. I doubt it. I know the Brits shipped them a number of Hurricanes and they captured quite a few Soviet aircraft. Germans supplied some after June 1941.
I think he's got four or so follow-ons, but you get the gist...
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@renauda said in Most Kills:
Link to video@mik said in Most Kills:
A couple things - first, that chart really shows the material destruction that was WWII.
Second - the Finns must have been desperate. Would you go to war in a Fiat fighter plane?
Finns used any and all aircraft they could get their hands on- German, British, Soviet and apparently, Italian. Not sure if they had any US aircraft. I doubt it. I know the Brits shipped them a number of Hurricanes and they captured quite a few Soviet aircraft. Germans supplied some after June 1941.
I think he's got four or so follow-ons, but you get the gist...
wrote on 4 Dec 2021, 20:26 last edited by Renauda 12 Apr 2021, 21:54I stand corrected. I had forgotten about the Brewster Buffalos entirely. Pretty sure that the Soviets had a few early on after June ‘41. I think the Brits transhipped them to the Russians as the RAF found them unsuitable to the high altitude war it was engaged with the Nazis. In any case the Russians much preferred the P 39 Airacobra supplied through Lend Lease. The US supplied close to 5000 of them to the USSR.
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wrote on 4 Dec 2021, 21:28 last edited by
How about the American plane the Soviets had significant input for design mods?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-63_Kingcobra
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wrote on 4 Dec 2021, 21:46 last edited by
I have seen some ugly airplanes.
I don't know if that is the ugliest
But it is top 10
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How about the American plane the Soviets had significant input for design mods?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-63_Kingcobra
wrote on 4 Dec 2021, 22:15 last edited by@jolly said in Most Kills:
How about the American plane the Soviets had significant input for design mods?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-63_Kingcobra
Interesting. We are familiar with the aircraft:
https://albertaaviationmuseum.com/2019/08/01/p-39-update-one-volunteers-lifelong-dream/
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wrote on 4 Dec 2021, 22:58 last edited by
The Airacobra is a neat aircraft. One the Soviets made work, after the British and Americans thought it was a dog. The Kingcobra, after Soviet input, was a bigger, better plane. With the Merlin, it was a 400+ mph plane at altitude.
I disagree with Copper. This is not an ugly airplane...
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wrote on 4 Dec 2021, 23:13 last edited by
Just a random comment...
I am always amazed at the sheer volume of knowledge that people on this forum have...about everything.
This thread is the perfect example of that, and I am humbled.
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wrote on 4 Dec 2021, 23:26 last edited by
Nah, some of us just like WW2 history. In fact, several of us.
Another really, really interesting Soviet aircraft, that came about because the Americans wouldn't Lend/lease them any...Which is understandable, since we paid more to develop and build it than we spent on the atomic bomb.