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SCOTUS hears Mississippi abortion law

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    George K
    wrote on 1 Dec 2021, 18:35 last edited by George K 12 Jan 2021, 18:36
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    Did anyone listen today?

    I did for about 30 minutes, and it was quite interesting.

    The Solicitor General argued that since Roe was established law stare decisis applies. Justice Kavanaugh then pointed out half a dozen cases where stare decisis was not applied (Brown vs Board, Dred Scott), and the court revisited these rulings to overturn them.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4988908/justice-kavanaugh-questions-julie-rikelman-instances-court-overcome-stare-decisis

    There was a discussion about viability of the fetus, particularly with respect to the 15 week cutoff. Roberts said that there were only seven countries which don't impose a cutoff for abortion. Among them are China, North Korea, and, of course the United States.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      89th
      wrote on 1 Dec 2021, 18:50 last edited by
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      I like Kavanaugh's use of "return to the stance of neutrality" in regards to the possible outcome. A good reminder that abortion isn't a constitutional right since the dawn of the country.

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        1 Dec 2021, 18:50

        I like Kavanaugh's use of "return to the stance of neutrality" in regards to the possible outcome. A good reminder that abortion isn't a constitutional right since the dawn of the country.

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        George K
        wrote on 1 Dec 2021, 18:54 last edited by
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        @89th said in SCOTUS hears Mississippi abortion law:

        abortion isn't a constitutional right

        It's shoehorned into the 4th amendment.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          1 Dec 2021, 18:54

          @89th said in SCOTUS hears Mississippi abortion law:

          abortion isn't a constitutional right

          It's shoehorned into the 4th amendment.

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          Mik
          wrote on 1 Dec 2021, 18:58 last edited by
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          @george-k said in SCOTUS hears Mississippi abortion law:

          @89th said in SCOTUS hears Mississippi abortion law:

          abortion isn't a constitutional right

          It's shoehorned into the 4th amendment.

          Awkwardly at that.

          I was listening to the viability discussions and stare decisis this morning. It was interesting. Kagan and Sotomayor had clearly made their minds up before hearings ever began.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Jolly
            wrote on 1 Dec 2021, 19:52 last edited by
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            Hear the questions Thomas asked and the answer was "Liberty"?

            Talk about great grounds to vote down a vaccine mandate...

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 2 Dec 2021, 10:02 last edited by jon-nyc 12 Feb 2021, 10:02
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              Scotus upheld vaccine mandates decades ago.

              If Biden’s rule gets overturned it’ll be on technical questions around OSHA’s enabling legislation, not on the idea of a mandate itself.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • M Mik
                1 Dec 2021, 18:58

                @george-k said in SCOTUS hears Mississippi abortion law:

                @89th said in SCOTUS hears Mississippi abortion law:

                abortion isn't a constitutional right

                It's shoehorned into the 4th amendment.

                Awkwardly at that.

                I was listening to the viability discussions and stare decisis this morning. It was interesting. Kagan and Sotomayor had clearly made their minds up before hearings ever began.

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                89th
                wrote on 2 Dec 2021, 11:44 last edited by
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                @mik said in SCOTUS hears Mississippi abortion law:

                Kagan and Sotomayor had clearly made their minds up before hearings ever began.

                With this type of case I'd imagine most (6-7?) have already made up their minds. Swing votes like Roberts will be key... Aside from being on the pro-life side of this issue, I kinda want to see the left freak out if their SCOTUS baby is taken away. No pun intended.

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                • G George K
                  1 Dec 2021, 18:35

                  Did anyone listen today?

                  I did for about 30 minutes, and it was quite interesting.

                  The Solicitor General argued that since Roe was established law stare decisis applies. Justice Kavanaugh then pointed out half a dozen cases where stare decisis was not applied (Brown vs Board, Dred Scott), and the court revisited these rulings to overturn them.

                  https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4988908/justice-kavanaugh-questions-julie-rikelman-instances-court-overcome-stare-decisis

                  There was a discussion about viability of the fetus, particularly with respect to the 15 week cutoff. Roberts said that there were only seven countries which don't impose a cutoff for abortion. Among them are China, North Korea, and, of course the United States.

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on 2 Dec 2021, 20:21 last edited by
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                  @george-k said in SCOTUS hears Mississippi abortion law:

                  Did anyone listen today?

                  I did for about 30 minutes, and it was quite interesting.

                  The Solicitor General argued that since Roe was established law stare decisis applies. Justice Kavanaugh then pointed out half a dozen cases where stare decisis was not applied (Brown vs Board, Dred Scott), and the court revisited these rulings to overturn them.

                  https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4988908/justice-kavanaugh-questions-julie-rikelman-instances-court-overcome-stare-decisis

                  There was a discussion about viability of the fetus, particularly with respect to the 15 week cutoff. Roberts said that there were only seven countries which don't impose a cutoff for abortion. Among them are China, North Korea, and, of course the United States.

                  Run a poll and ask people if they believe our abortion laws should be closer to Europe’s or China and North Korea?

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