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Omicron variant: Move over, Delta

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    Mik
    wrote on 29 Nov 2021, 21:11 last edited by
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    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      26 Nov 2021, 20:45

      You completely miss the point in true Axian manner. No one said Trump's bans were great or effective. But Biden slammed them as racist and now imposes his own.

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      Improviso
      wrote on 30 Nov 2021, 14:40 last edited by
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      @mik said in Move over, Delta:

      You completely miss the point in true Axian manner. No one said Trump's bans were great or effective. But Biden slammed them as racist and now imposes his own.

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      We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
      Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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        Mik
        wrote on 30 Nov 2021, 14:44 last edited by
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        This is how the man was treated. Then they want to talk about uniting the country and what is best for the US. Shameless.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Axtremus
          wrote on 30 Nov 2021, 18:05 last edited by
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          https://www.kctv5.com/news/local_news/moderna-ceo-expects-material-drop-in-vaccines-effectiveness-against-omicron-variant-this-is-not-going/article_7d231e62-51d1-11ec-9a75-87d77a2a53ed.html

          Moderna CEO expects material drop in Moderna vaccine’s effectiveness against the Omicron variant.

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            30 Nov 2021, 18:05

            https://www.kctv5.com/news/local_news/moderna-ceo-expects-material-drop-in-vaccines-effectiveness-against-omicron-variant-this-is-not-going/article_7d231e62-51d1-11ec-9a75-87d77a2a53ed.html

            Moderna CEO expects material drop in Moderna vaccine’s effectiveness against the Omicron variant.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 30 Nov 2021, 18:15 last edited by
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            @axtremus said in Move over, Delta:

            https://www.kctv5.com/news/local_news/moderna-ceo-expects-material-drop-in-vaccines-effectiveness-against-omicron-variant-this-is-not-going/article_7d231e62-51d1-11ec-9a75-87d77a2a53ed.html

            Moderna CEO expects material drop in Moderna vaccine’s effectiveness against the Omicron variant.

            At this point in time, he's blowing smoke out of his ass.

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              30 Nov 2021, 18:05

              https://www.kctv5.com/news/local_news/moderna-ceo-expects-material-drop-in-vaccines-effectiveness-against-omicron-variant-this-is-not-going/article_7d231e62-51d1-11ec-9a75-87d77a2a53ed.html

              Moderna CEO expects material drop in Moderna vaccine’s effectiveness against the Omicron variant.

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              Jolly
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                George K
                wrote on 30 Nov 2021, 18:51 last edited by
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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on 30 Nov 2021, 18:56 last edited by
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                  @George-K Reminds me of @bachophile post about spread vs seriousness of disease… This may be less serious on average, but if it’s spread is wider it could be far worse than Delta.

                  The Brad

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 30 Nov 2021, 18:58 last edited by
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                    @Jolly I would think that they could look at the particular spike proteins their particular vaccine targets and be able to say “oh 💩 “

                    The Brad

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 30 Nov 2021, 19:19 last edited by
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                      If we weren't fed a line of crap, the vaccines should work fairly well against most variants, since about 95% have proteins the vaxx will recognize.

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                        jon-nyc
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                        Dr. Uğur Şahin—the co-founder of BioNTech who helped develop Pfizer’s mRNA COVID-19 vaccine—told The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that, even if the Omicron variant leads to more breakthrough COVID-19 infections, he believes the vaccines will continue to protect against severe disease. “If a virus achieves immune escape, it achieves it against antibodies, but there is the second level of immune response that protects from severe disease—the T-cells,” he said.

                        The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control said yesterday that as of Tuesday morning, 44 Omicron variant cases had been confirmed by 11 European countries and that “all cases for which there is information available on severity were either asymptomatic or had mild symptoms.”

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                          1 Dec 2021, 17:25

                          Dr. Uğur Şahin—the co-founder of BioNTech who helped develop Pfizer’s mRNA COVID-19 vaccine—told The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that, even if the Omicron variant leads to more breakthrough COVID-19 infections, he believes the vaccines will continue to protect against severe disease. “If a virus achieves immune escape, it achieves it against antibodies, but there is the second level of immune response that protects from severe disease—the T-cells,” he said.

                          The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control said yesterday that as of Tuesday morning, 44 Omicron variant cases had been confirmed by 11 European countries and that “all cases for which there is information available on severity were either asymptomatic or had mild symptoms.”

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                          wrote on 1 Dec 2021, 19:00 last edited by
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                          @jon-nyc said in Move over, Delta:

                          Dr. Uğur Şahin—the co-founder of BioNTech who helped develop Pfizer’s mRNA COVID-19 vaccine—told The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that, even if the Omicron variant leads to more breakthrough COVID-19 infections, he believes the vaccines will continue to protect against severe disease. “If a virus achieves immune escape, it achieves it against antibodies, but there is the second level of immune response that protects from severe disease—the T-cells,” he said.

                          IOW, he believes the Nu variant of Wuhan COVID -Xi 19 achieves immune escape against the current virus but they are hoping that the T-Cells will save the day. The question I have is if the T-Cells are working on the same recognition patterns as the antibodies, why do they think it will work? The ID of the spike proteins had to be very specific as there are necessary and beneficial spike proteins that you do not want to mess with. It’s a big part of the concern with the Merck pill. They have seen examples of stillborn and birth defects when administered to pregnant animals.
                          https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-11-29/fda-merck-covid-pill-effective-but-flags-safety-concerns-pregnant-women

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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on 1 Dec 2021, 19:00 last edited by
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                            @jon-nyc said in Move over, Delta:

                            The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control said yesterday that as of Tuesday morning, 44 Omicron variant cases had been confirmed by 11 European countries and that “all cases for which there is information available on severity were either asymptomatic or had mild symptoms.”

                            That would be the same number with Delta or even Alpha.

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                              1 Dec 2021, 19:00

                              @jon-nyc said in Move over, Delta:

                              Dr. Uğur Şahin—the co-founder of BioNTech who helped develop Pfizer’s mRNA COVID-19 vaccine—told The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that, even if the Omicron variant leads to more breakthrough COVID-19 infections, he believes the vaccines will continue to protect against severe disease. “If a virus achieves immune escape, it achieves it against antibodies, but there is the second level of immune response that protects from severe disease—the T-cells,” he said.

                              IOW, he believes the Nu variant of Wuhan COVID -Xi 19 achieves immune escape against the current virus but they are hoping that the T-Cells will save the day. The question I have is if the T-Cells are working on the same recognition patterns as the antibodies, why do they think it will work? The ID of the spike proteins had to be very specific as there are necessary and beneficial spike proteins that you do not want to mess with. It’s a big part of the concern with the Merck pill. They have seen examples of stillborn and birth defects when administered to pregnant animals.
                              https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-11-29/fda-merck-covid-pill-effective-but-flags-safety-concerns-pregnant-women

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                              Jolly
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                              @lufins-dad said in Move over, Delta:

                              @jon-nyc said in Move over, Delta:

                              Dr. Uğur Şahin—the co-founder of BioNTech who helped develop Pfizer’s mRNA COVID-19 vaccine—told The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that, even if the Omicron variant leads to more breakthrough COVID-19 infections, he believes the vaccines will continue to protect against severe disease. “If a virus achieves immune escape, it achieves it against antibodies, but there is the second level of immune response that protects from severe disease—the T-cells,” he said.

                              IOW, he believes the Nu variant of Wuhan COVID -Xi 19 achieves immune escape against the current virus but they are hoping that the T-Cells will save the day. The question I have is if the T-Cells are working on the same recognition patterns as the antibodies, why do they think it will work? The ID of the spike proteins had to be very specific as there are necessary and beneficial spike proteins that you do not want to mess with. It’s a big part of the concern with the Merck pill. They have seen examples of stillborn and birth defects when administered to pregnant animals.
                              https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-11-29/fda-merck-covid-pill-effective-but-flags-safety-concerns-pregnant-women

                              Last study I saw, T-cells had at least eight months response. I suspect it's more.

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                                1 Dec 2021, 19:00

                                @jon-nyc said in Move over, Delta:

                                Dr. Uğur Şahin—the co-founder of BioNTech who helped develop Pfizer’s mRNA COVID-19 vaccine—told The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that, even if the Omicron variant leads to more breakthrough COVID-19 infections, he believes the vaccines will continue to protect against severe disease. “If a virus achieves immune escape, it achieves it against antibodies, but there is the second level of immune response that protects from severe disease—the T-cells,” he said.

                                IOW, he believes the Nu variant of Wuhan COVID -Xi 19 achieves immune escape against the current virus but they are hoping that the T-Cells will save the day. The question I have is if the T-Cells are working on the same recognition patterns as the antibodies, why do they think it will work? The ID of the spike proteins had to be very specific as there are necessary and beneficial spike proteins that you do not want to mess with. It’s a big part of the concern with the Merck pill. They have seen examples of stillborn and birth defects when administered to pregnant animals.
                                https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-11-29/fda-merck-covid-pill-effective-but-flags-safety-concerns-pregnant-women

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                                Aqua Letifer
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                                @lufins-dad said in Move over, Delta:

                                @jon-nyc said in Move over, Delta:

                                Dr. Uğur Şahin—the co-founder of BioNTech who helped develop Pfizer’s mRNA COVID-19 vaccine—told The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that, even if the Omicron variant leads to more breakthrough COVID-19 infections, he believes the vaccines will continue to protect against severe disease. “If a virus achieves immune escape, it achieves it against antibodies, but there is the second level of immune response that protects from severe disease—the T-cells,” he said.

                                IOW, he believes the Nu variant of Wuhan COVID -Xi 19 achieves immune escape against the current virus but they are hoping that the T-Cells will save the day. The question I have is if the T-Cells are working on the same recognition patterns as the antibodies, why do they think it will work? The ID of the spike proteins had to be very specific as there are necessary and beneficial spike proteins that you do not want to mess with. It’s a big part of the concern with the Merck pill. They have seen examples of stillborn and birth defects when administered to pregnant animals.
                                https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-11-29/fda-merck-covid-pill-effective-but-flags-safety-concerns-pregnant-women

                                Antibodies and T cells are entirely different in terms of their jobs and how they do it.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on 1 Dec 2021, 22:26 last edited by
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                                  @aqua-letifer I get that, but the T-Cells still need to recognize the spike proteins on the infected cells in order to attack them. If they aren’t recognizing the proteins, then they are going to be less effective.

                                  The Brad

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 2 Dec 2021, 01:18 last edited by
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                                    First known case in US discovered in California

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on 2 Dec 2021, 01:19 last edited by
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                                      @jolly said in Move over, Delta:

                                      @lufins-dad said in Move over, Delta:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Move over, Delta:

                                      Dr. Uğur Şahin—the co-founder of BioNTech who helped develop Pfizer’s mRNA COVID-19 vaccine—told The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that, even if the Omicron variant leads to more breakthrough COVID-19 infections, he believes the vaccines will continue to protect against severe disease. “If a virus achieves immune escape, it achieves it against antibodies, but there is the second level of immune response that protects from severe disease—the T-cells,” he said.

                                      IOW, he believes the Nu variant of Wuhan COVID -Xi 19 achieves immune escape against the current virus but they are hoping that the T-Cells will save the day. The question I have is if the T-Cells are working on the same recognition patterns as the antibodies, why do they think it will work? The ID of the spike proteins had to be very specific as there are necessary and beneficial spike proteins that you do not want to mess with. It’s a big part of the concern with the Merck pill. They have seen examples of stillborn and birth defects when administered to pregnant animals.
                                      https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-11-29/fda-merck-covid-pill-effective-but-flags-safety-concerns-pregnant-women

                                      Last study I saw, T-cells had at least eight months response. I suspect it's more.

                                      It’s not a matter of duration, they still need to recognize and attack the infected cells no recognition, no attack.

                                      The Brad

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                                        2 Dec 2021, 01:18

                                        First known case in US discovered in California

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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on 2 Dec 2021, 02:02 last edited by
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                                        @jon-nyc said in Move over, Delta:

                                        First known case in US discovered in California

                                        with mild symptoms

                                        1 guy with mild symptoms

                                        Let's shut down the country!

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on 2 Dec 2021, 20:12 last edited by
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                                          OMG! OMC was in the NYC at the NMA!

                                          The Brad

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