Omicron variant: Move over, Delta
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'They' have also speculated that the virus can only mutate so much. But it's at the point where I believe none of what I hear and only half of what I see.
wrote on 28 Nov 2021, 16:16 last edited by@mik said in Move over, Delta:
'They' have also speculated that the virus can only mutate so much. But it's at the point where I believe none of what I hear and only half of what I see.
That might mean different things.
Proteins are very complex. There are probably a near-infinite number of possibilities.
But how many of them can compete with Delta? Assume Xi (I'm calling it that) replaces Delta in fitness. That is hard enough, but Xi, being even more fit, would make it that much harder for new variants to replace Xi. And the kind of traits the new variants would need would lead it eventually toward attenuation. That's not to say one of them could blow up into something really nasty, but overall it's incentivized to get to something more like the common cold instead of ebola.
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wrote on 28 Nov 2021, 18:04 last edited by George K
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@mik said in Move over, Delta:
'They' have also speculated that the virus can only mutate so much. But it's at the point where I believe none of what I hear and only half of what I see.
That might mean different things.
Proteins are very complex. There are probably a near-infinite number of possibilities.
But how many of them can compete with Delta? Assume Xi (I'm calling it that) replaces Delta in fitness. That is hard enough, but Xi, being even more fit, would make it that much harder for new variants to replace Xi. And the kind of traits the new variants would need would lead it eventually toward attenuation. That's not to say one of them could blow up into something really nasty, but overall it's incentivized to get to something more like the common cold instead of ebola.
wrote on 28 Nov 2021, 18:25 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Move over, Delta:
@mik said in Move over, Delta:
'They' have also speculated that the virus can only mutate so much. But it's at the point where I believe none of what I hear and only half of what I see.
That might mean different things.
Proteins are very complex. There are probably a near-infinite number of possibilities.
But how many of them can compete with Delta? Assume Xi (I'm calling it that) replaces Delta in fitness. That is hard enough, but Xi, being even more fit, would make it that much harder for new variants to replace Xi. And the kind of traits the new variants would need would lead it eventually toward attenuation. That's not to say one of them could blow up into something really nasty, but overall it's incentivized to get to something more like the common cold instead of ebola.
Technically this is Nu…
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@aqua-letifer said in Move over, Delta:
@mik said in Move over, Delta:
'They' have also speculated that the virus can only mutate so much. But it's at the point where I believe none of what I hear and only half of what I see.
That might mean different things.
Proteins are very complex. There are probably a near-infinite number of possibilities.
But how many of them can compete with Delta? Assume Xi (I'm calling it that) replaces Delta in fitness. That is hard enough, but Xi, being even more fit, would make it that much harder for new variants to replace Xi. And the kind of traits the new variants would need would lead it eventually toward attenuation. That's not to say one of them could blow up into something really nasty, but overall it's incentivized to get to something more like the common cold instead of ebola.
Technically this is Nu…
wrote on 28 Nov 2021, 18:42 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Move over, Delta:
@aqua-letifer said in Move over, Delta:
@mik said in Move over, Delta:
'They' have also speculated that the virus can only mutate so much. But it's at the point where I believe none of what I hear and only half of what I see.
That might mean different things.
Proteins are very complex. There are probably a near-infinite number of possibilities.
But how many of them can compete with Delta? Assume Xi (I'm calling it that) replaces Delta in fitness. That is hard enough, but Xi, being even more fit, would make it that much harder for new variants to replace Xi. And the kind of traits the new variants would need would lead it eventually toward attenuation. That's not to say one of them could blow up into something really nasty, but overall it's incentivized to get to something more like the common cold instead of ebola.
Technically this is Nu…
I Xi.
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Very clever.
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@jolly said in Move over, Delta:
Shocking...
Jolly, he is way off base. Novavax received emergency authorization for it’s regular vaccine. They are now starting to research and develop an Omicron vaccine update. Moderna, J&J and the others are now talking about testing their standard vaccine against the variant, which makes sense.
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wrote on 28 Nov 2021, 21:43 last edited by
The Bee just keeps doing that thing it does
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@george-k said in Move over, Delta:
The "already worried" tweet was on Aug 4.
Hey, I'm still holding out hope for my Omega Variant prediction from Aug 2: https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/10582/what-s-the-next-best-outbreak-name
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You completely miss the point in true Axian manner. No one said Trump's bans were great or effective. But Biden slammed them as racist and now imposes his own.
wrote on 30 Nov 2021, 14:40 last edited by@mik said in Move over, Delta:
You completely miss the point in true Axian manner. No one said Trump's bans were great or effective. But Biden slammed them as racist and now imposes his own.
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wrote on 30 Nov 2021, 14:44 last edited by
This is how the man was treated. Then they want to talk about uniting the country and what is best for the US. Shameless.
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Moderna CEO expects material drop in Moderna vaccine’s effectiveness against the Omicron variant.
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Moderna CEO expects material drop in Moderna vaccine’s effectiveness against the Omicron variant.
wrote on 30 Nov 2021, 18:15 last edited by@axtremus said in Move over, Delta:
Moderna CEO expects material drop in Moderna vaccine’s effectiveness against the Omicron variant.
At this point in time, he's blowing smoke out of his ass.
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Moderna CEO expects material drop in Moderna vaccine’s effectiveness against the Omicron variant.
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@George-K Reminds me of @bachophile post about spread vs seriousness of disease… This may be less serious on average, but if it’s spread is wider it could be far worse than Delta.
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@Jolly I would think that they could look at the particular spike proteins their particular vaccine targets and be able to say “oh
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