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  • K Klaus
    22 May 2022, 17:34

    OK, backup is working again. Luckily the Cloudron developers are quite helpful.

    Turns out I stumbled upon a Cloudron bug they fixed a week ago, but the fix hasn't been officially released yet.

    https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/commit/7ed8678d50846bf85802bf6b706e12c1f026ec77

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    Axtremus
    wrote on 22 May 2022, 18:12 last edited by
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    @Klaus said in Forum Issues:

    Turns out I stumbled upon a Cloudron bug they fixed a week ago, but the fix hasn't been officially released yet.

    https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/commit/7ed8678d50846bf85802bf6b706e12c1f026ec77

    Looks like they just increased the timeout by 10x to cope with restoration of larger backups that need more time to complete. Give it enough time and our backup bundle will also grow to 10x its current size and will break this "fix" again. :man-shrugging:

    Also an indication that Cloudron has not been used to support bigger deployments yet, seeing that we are among the first to stumble into this bug. We just may be the inspiration and the driving force that push Cloudron to scale better. 😬

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    • A Axtremus
      22 May 2022, 18:12

      @Klaus said in Forum Issues:

      Turns out I stumbled upon a Cloudron bug they fixed a week ago, but the fix hasn't been officially released yet.

      https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/commit/7ed8678d50846bf85802bf6b706e12c1f026ec77

      Looks like they just increased the timeout by 10x to cope with restoration of larger backups that need more time to complete. Give it enough time and our backup bundle will also grow to 10x its current size and will break this "fix" again. :man-shrugging:

      Also an indication that Cloudron has not been used to support bigger deployments yet, seeing that we are among the first to stumble into this bug. We just may be the inspiration and the driving force that push Cloudron to scale better. 😬

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      Klaus
      wrote on 22 May 2022, 18:14 last edited by
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      @Axtremus said in Forum Issues:

      Looks like they just increased the timeout by 10x to cope with restoration of larger backups that need more time to complete. Give it enough time and our backup bundle will also grow to 10x its current size and will break this "fix" again.

      Actually, that's exactly what I told the developer, too 🙂 It's a workaround and not a fix.

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        taiwan_girl
        wrote on 23 May 2022, 01:29 last edited by
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        Not really related but kind of.

        But what is the business model of the company where we have this forum? I dont understand how/where they are making money. even enough to pay for us!

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        • T taiwan_girl
          23 May 2022, 01:29

          Not really related but kind of.

          But what is the business model of the company where we have this forum? I dont understand how/where they are making money. even enough to pay for us!

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          Axtremus
          wrote on 23 May 2022, 01:49 last edited by
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          @taiwan_girl Three parts to this:

          1. The hardware & infrastructure part: we pay another company whose business is to rent out server hardware/infrastructure (to whoever willing to pay to rent them) to rent some server hardware/infrastructure for our use.

          2. Software: we use free software (running on the rented hardware/infrastructure) to provide this thing we call TNCR for our own use. Why is the software free? Well, you can Google and read articles on why there are so much free software out there, or you can just enjoy it without knowing why ... it is sufficient to know that you can very easily go onto the Internet to download free software for your own use, we are basically doing the same with the software that powers TNCR.

          3. Operations: the expertise, time, and effort that some humans put into keeping TNCR running. This is all volunteer work for TNCR, so far with @Klaus putting in the lion's share of this work. Why do people volunteer? Maybe @Klaus has an ulterior motive or an evil master plan behind all this, but personally I am happy to just take advantage of his work without thinking much about his motivation. It's just easier for me that way so I am going with it.

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          • T taiwan_girl
            23 May 2022, 01:29

            Not really related but kind of.

            But what is the business model of the company where we have this forum? I dont understand how/where they are making money. even enough to pay for us!

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            Klaus
            wrote on 23 May 2022, 05:41 last edited by Klaus
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            @taiwan_girl said in Forum Issues:

            Not really related but kind of.

            But what is the business model of the company where we have this forum? I dont understand how/where they are making money. even enough to pay for us!

            In addition to what Ax said: one main part of the software stack that was causing problems, Cloudron, is a commercial software. It is only free because we are running only one thing on it, namely the server. If you want to run more than two things on it, a subscription is needed.

            We also do pay for two services, namely the rental of the server and the domain name. In total, it’s about 80 Euros per year, which is/was mostly covered by donations.

            Ax is right about my evil plan, but you’ll only learn about it when it’s too late.

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            • K Klaus
              22 May 2022, 09:48

              The Twitter plugin does seem to be a little fragile. When I embed a tweet and hit "reply", I can't immediately see the tweet but only when I reload the page. Maybe it's just my particular browser. Let's see how that works.

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              Mik
              wrote on 23 May 2022, 13:00 last edited by
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              @Klaus said in Forum Issues:

              The Twitter plugin does seem to be a little fragile. When I embed a tweet and hit "reply", I can't immediately see the tweet but only when I reload the page. Maybe it's just my particular browser. Let's see how that works.

              I tried that and it does not work. Still can't see Twitter links, it just shows a gray bar. URL links work fine.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Klaus
                wrote on 23 May 2022, 14:17 last edited by
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                @Mik which browser are you using? Any plugins/ad blockers activated?

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 23 May 2022, 14:31 last edited by Mik
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                  Using Edge, no plugins, but there is an ad blocker. Never bothered it before. The ad blocker is just in Edge, no third party software.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • A Axtremus
                    23 May 2022, 01:49

                    @taiwan_girl Three parts to this:

                    1. The hardware & infrastructure part: we pay another company whose business is to rent out server hardware/infrastructure (to whoever willing to pay to rent them) to rent some server hardware/infrastructure for our use.

                    2. Software: we use free software (running on the rented hardware/infrastructure) to provide this thing we call TNCR for our own use. Why is the software free? Well, you can Google and read articles on why there are so much free software out there, or you can just enjoy it without knowing why ... it is sufficient to know that you can very easily go onto the Internet to download free software for your own use, we are basically doing the same with the software that powers TNCR.

                    3. Operations: the expertise, time, and effort that some humans put into keeping TNCR running. This is all volunteer work for TNCR, so far with @Klaus putting in the lion's share of this work. Why do people volunteer? Maybe @Klaus has an ulterior motive or an evil master plan behind all this, but personally I am happy to just take advantage of his work without thinking much about his motivation. It's just easier for me that way so I am going with it.

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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on 23 May 2022, 18:13 last edited by
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                    @Axtremus @Klaus

                    Wait a second. We (I guess the we does not include me. 555) have to pay for this forum? 😱

                    We should probably take up a collection or something.

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                    • T taiwan_girl
                      23 May 2022, 18:13

                      @Axtremus @Klaus

                      Wait a second. We (I guess the we does not include me. 555) have to pay for this forum? 😱

                      We should probably take up a collection or something.

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                      Klaus
                      wrote on 23 May 2022, 18:20 last edited by
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                      @taiwan_girl said in Forum Issues:

                      @Axtremus @Klaus

                      Wait a second. We (I guess the we does not include me. 555) have to pay for this forum? 😱

                      We should probably take up a collection or something.

                      Ax and George paid for the first 18 months or so. I'll maybe make another call for donations some time this year.

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                      • M Mik
                        23 May 2022, 14:31

                        Using Edge, no plugins, but there is an ad blocker. Never bothered it before. The ad blocker is just in Edge, no third party software.

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                        Klaus
                        wrote on 23 May 2022, 18:28 last edited by
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                        @Mik said in Forum Issues:

                        Using Edge, no plugins, but there is an ad blocker. Never bothered it before. The ad blocker is just in Edge, no third party software.

                        Strange. I just tried Edge on my computer, and the tweets are embedded as desired (though sometimes with a small delay).

                        For instance, if you click here you don't see the Tweet George posted? Could you try it with another browser, maybe?

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on 23 May 2022, 18:34 last edited by
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                          @Mik try closing all browser window (quit browser app), clear cache, then reload/reopen TNCR pages, just in case your browser has been caching the old Twitter plugin.

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                            Axtremus
                            wrote on 23 May 2022, 18:37 last edited by
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                            New issues I notice now are:

                            1. On Safari on iPhone 13, the "search" interface doesn't work (cannot even open the search input text box).

                            2. On Safari on iPhone 13, the three horizontal line "hamburger" menu icon also does not work. Cannot get any menu to show by tapping that three line icon.

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                            • A Axtremus
                              23 May 2022, 18:37

                              New issues I notice now are:

                              1. On Safari on iPhone 13, the "search" interface doesn't work (cannot even open the search input text box).

                              2. On Safari on iPhone 13, the three horizontal line "hamburger" menu icon also does not work. Cannot get any menu to show by tapping that three line icon.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 23 May 2022, 18:41 last edited by George K
                              #365

                              @Axtremus said in Forum Issues:

                              New issues I notice now are:

                              1. On Safari on iPhone 13, the "search" interface doesn't work (cannot even open the search input text box).

                              2. On Safari on iPhone 13, the three horizontal line "hamburger" menu icon also does not work. Cannot get any menu to show by tapping that three line icon.

                              Same here.

                              ETA: Search works on iPad.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Klaus
                                wrote on 23 May 2022, 18:48 last edited by
                                #366

                                Hm, I don't have an iPhone, so I can't try this one (and I'm too lazy right now to install an iPhone simulator).

                                I think one conclusion from all these problems is that I should be more conservative with regard to upgrades and wait a few months before upgrading. The 2.0.0 release of NodeBB in particular seems to have all kinds of problems. The upgrade broke many plugins, for instance.

                                Hopefully they'll soon publish the first bugfix release.

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                                • K Klaus
                                  23 May 2022, 18:28

                                  @Mik said in Forum Issues:

                                  Using Edge, no plugins, but there is an ad blocker. Never bothered it before. The ad blocker is just in Edge, no third party software.

                                  Strange. I just tried Edge on my computer, and the tweets are embedded as desired (though sometimes with a small delay).

                                  For instance, if you click here you don't see the Tweet George posted? Could you try it with another browser, maybe?

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 23 May 2022, 19:20 last edited by
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                                  @Klaus said in Forum Issues:

                                  @Mik said in Forum Issues:

                                  Using Edge, no plugins, but there is an ad blocker. Never bothered it before. The ad blocker is just in Edge, no third party software.

                                  Strange. I just tried Edge on my computer, and the tweets are embedded as desired (though sometimes with a small delay).

                                  For instance, if you click here you don't see the Tweet George posted? Could you try it with another browser, maybe?

                                  Same thing on my iPhone Safari.

                                  I have already cleared the cache, etc.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on 23 May 2022, 21:49 last edited by Copper
                                    #368

                                    @Klaus said in Forum Issues:

                                    Ax and George paid for the first 18 months or so. I'll maybe make another call for donations some time this year.

                                    Can you use the BAT that I have sent?

                                    I just sent another 5 BAT tip and a 1 BAT tip.

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                                    • M Mik
                                      23 May 2022, 19:20

                                      @Klaus said in Forum Issues:

                                      @Mik said in Forum Issues:

                                      Using Edge, no plugins, but there is an ad blocker. Never bothered it before. The ad blocker is just in Edge, no third party software.

                                      Strange. I just tried Edge on my computer, and the tweets are embedded as desired (though sometimes with a small delay).

                                      For instance, if you click here you don't see the Tweet George posted? Could you try it with another browser, maybe?

                                      Same thing on my iPhone Safari.

                                      I have already cleared the cache, etc.

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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on 27 May 2022, 12:33 last edited by Mik
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                                      @Mik said in Forum Issues:

                                      @Klaus said in Forum Issues:

                                      @Mik said in Forum Issues:

                                      Using Edge, no plugins, but there is an ad blocker. Never bothered it before. The ad blocker is just in Edge, no third party software.

                                      Strange. I just tried Edge on my computer, and the tweets are embedded as desired (though sometimes with a small delay).

                                      For instance, if you click here you don't see the Tweet George posted? Could you try it with another browser, maybe?

                                      Same thing on my iPhone Safari.

                                      I have already cleared the cache, etc.

                                      Klaus, all I see for twitter links is a gray bar. If, however, I right click and print the post I can see the URL and link to it in the print preview. Weird. Not sure if that gives you anything to go on. Here's a screenshot.

                                      Screenshot 2022-05-27 083407.jpg

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Klaus
                                        wrote on 27 May 2022, 13:21 last edited by
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                                        @Mik I could try to add the modified version of the plugin which adds a link to the tweet below the embedding again.

                                        Did you have that same problem before the forum crash?

                                        Can you see embedded tweets on other forums?

                                        Is anyone else suffering from the same problem?

                                        You said that you have the same problem on desktop and phone, right? It's rather strange that the same problem occurs on two such different setups, but it doesn't seem to occur with anyone else. Do you have that problem on your phone only when you go through your local wireless network, or also if you use the phone network's data connection?

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 27 May 2022, 14:25 last edited by Mik
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                                          No, this never happened before the crash. I don't have any problem on FB or anything else. It's no longer occurring on my iphone, with or without my wifi.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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