"You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine."
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@xenon said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":
You have the man in the most powerful office in the world. He's grappling with his and the world's most important policy agenda item.
He has access to the best medical and scientific minds in the world.
But when he talks in a public forum about what he's doing about this topic - well that's between him and his doctor. Why do you care? Why would anyone care?
It's kinda funny how the words of the President have become farts in the wind. Don't listen to what he says only what he does. But also not the things the HE does.
I don't see how you find your way home.
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Because of the track record of the media, I don't believe anything. And those scientists? Not far behind. Let me have some coffee, maybe an egg. NO. It's bad for you, no, turns out it's good for you, no wine, wine OK, etc.
So the cynic in me says, "Hydroxychloroquine costs a buck, so of course that's not going to be touted as any possible benefit, actually the opposite: "it helps, it doesn't help, it can save your life, it can kill you, not tested enough, been using it for 60 years, yada yada."
For all I care, Trump can and will do whatever he wants. He's a known germophobe, doesn't drink or smoke. Imagine if there were pictures of him taking a drag on a cigarette or doobie like Obama. Oh, the horrors!!
Maybe he should come out and just say, "this hydroxy shit is primo man, like, a cheap high, THAT's why I take it." Then see what happens in the media.
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Do I think that President Trump has handled the COVID -19 crisis very well? Absolutely not.
BUT, I think that if there had been a Democrat president, it would have been just as bad. I just really don't think that either side would have been very good with this.
In a different reality, there is a Democrat President. And the funny things is, it is the Republics who are complaining because the Democrats want to re-open the country too soon. And the Democrats are accusing the Republics of trying to kill the economy.
Democrats - "This virus is hurting the working people. We are the party of the working people, and shutting down the economy is not helping them and their livelihood. The Republics really do not care about people!!!"
Republics - "There is no livelihood if there is no life. We have a long term vision and if we open up too soon, not only is there short term damage to the economy but long term as well. We need to keep the lockdown in place! The Democrats really do not care about people!!"
I truly believe that is what would happen if there were a Democrat as President right now. Politics in the US are so divided, that if a Republic says "black", the Democrat has to say "white", even if they dont really believe it. And the opposite is true also.
It seems like being against the other party is more important than the overall good of society.
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@taiwan_girl said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":
Do I think that President Trump has handled the COVID -19 crisis very well? Absolutely not.
BUT, I think that if there had been a Democrat president, it would have been just as bad.
This is not about Democrat vs. Republican. This is about Trump being incompetent. Democrats like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton as President would handle COVID-19 better than Trump. Republicans like Mike DeWine and Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney as President would handle COVID-19 better than Trump. This is not a matter of Democrat vs Republican, it's a matter of Trump's incompetence dragging most of the federal government down with him.
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@taiwan_girl said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":
Do I think that President Trump has handled the COVID -19 crisis very well? Absolutely not.
BUT, I think that if there had been a Democrat president, it would have been just as bad. I just really don't think that either side would have been very good with this.
In a different reality, there is a Democrat President. And the funny things is, it is the Republics who are complaining because the Democrats want to re-open the country too soon. And the Democrats are accusing the Republics of trying to kill the economy.
Democrats - "This virus is hurting the working people. We are the party of the working people, and shutting down the economy is not helping them and their livelihood. The Republics really do not care about people!!!"
Republics - "There is no livelihood if there is no life. We have a long term vision and if we open up too soon, not only is there short term damage to the economy but long term as well. We need to keep the lockdown in place! The Democrats really do not care about people!!"
I truly believe that is what would happen if there were a Democrat as President right now. Politics in the US are so divided, that if a Republic says "black", the Democrat has to say "white", even if they dont really believe it. And the opposite is true also.
It seems like being against the other party is more important than the overall good of society.
You have some of your statements wrong. The democrats are not wanting to reopen the country too soon, most of the democrats don't want to reopen at all. The republicans aren't complaining about democrats wanting to reopen too soon, they are complaining about the democrats not wanting to reopen, they are complaing because while millions of US citizens are on the verge of going broke, the democrats are trying to push through a 3 trillion dollar "stimulus" that pays illegal aliens, gives more money to Planned Parenthood, bails out Democrat run cities that have bankrupted their cities spending money of foolish crap, giving money to marijuana growers, and a bunch of other stupid stuff, practically none of the money going to help American citizens.
I also disagree with your conclusion that Trump hasn't done a good job re the pandemic. Let me tell you why - while Trump has been putting in 14-16 hour days 7 days a week trying to manage this mess, the democrats took a vacation. The governor of New York got on TV every day whining that he didn't have enough ventilators. He never bothered to mention that the reason he didn't have enough ventilators is because he chose to not buy any, and spent the money on solar panels. He whined that he didn't have enough hospital beds, so Trump immediately sent a hospital ship to do nothing but handle virus patients, and outfitted a convention center to be a hospital. Plenty of beds thanks to Trump - so what does the NY governor do? Orders covid patients to be put in nursing homes along with the nursing home patients, and didn't even use the hospital ship, and I don't think he even used to convention center hospital that Trump set up. When the old people in the nursing homes got infected and died like flies, what did the NY governor say? He said "hey - old people are going to die soon anyway, so what!"
It can be said that Trump could have done a few things better. But hindsight is 20/20 and no one, looking back on things, ever gets things 100% correct. But making mistakes means you're doing something. The reason you can't find many mistakes made by democrats is because most of them haven't been doing anything. The ones who do, like the NY governor doesn't have his mistakes talked about much because the media doesn't report bad news on democrats.
The republicans did not say anything about opening up too soon. You have gotten the Democrat and Republican positions completely backwards.
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@Axtremus said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":
@taiwan_girl said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":
Do I think that President Trump has handled the COVID -19 crisis very well? Absolutely not.
BUT, I think that if there had been a Democrat president, it would have been just as bad.
This is not about Democrat vs. Republican. This is about Trump being incompetent. Democrats like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton as President would handle COVID-19 better than Trump. Republicans like Mike DeWine and Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney as President would handle COVID-19 better than Trump. This is not a matter of Democrat vs Republican, it's a matter of Trump's incompetence dragging most of the federal government down with him.
That's the stupidest thing I've read all week.
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@Larry said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":
Trump has been putting in 14-16 hour days 7 days a week trying to manage this mess
Well when youāre still saying itās not as bad as the seasonal flu in mid-March, yeah you might have let the mess build up quite a bit. Any long hours heās putting in now is partially self-inflicted.
@Larry said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":
It can be said that Trump could have done a few things better. But hindsight is 20/20 and no one, looking back on things, ever gets things 100% correct. But making mistakes means you're doing something.
LOL what if the mistake is NOT doing something?
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@89th said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":
@Larry said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":
Trump has been putting in 14-16 hour days 7 days a week trying to manage this mess
Well when youāre still saying itās not as bad as the seasonal flu in mid-March, yeah you might have let the mess build up quite a bit. Any long hours heās putting in now is partially self-inflicted.
@Larry said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":
It can be said that Trump could have done a few things better. But hindsight is 20/20 and no one, looking back on things, ever gets things 100% correct. But making mistakes means you're doing something.
LOL what if the mistake is NOT doing something?
Hindsight is 20/20. Based on the proven information at the time, what were Trump's mistakes?
No, don't give me the media narrative, give me the actual mistakes.
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As Iāve said a number of times, he waited far too long to take the pandemic seriously, and then to advocate changes such as social distancing, and this delay in acceptance of the seriousness of the virus and the advocacy of social distancing had a profound impact on the height of the exponential curve of cases and deaths.
I agree hindsight is 20/20 and what I said above is objectively true. This is purely my analysis, I donāt even know what the MSM is saying (I donāt watch it). I also donāt care who the president is or their party, this is purely my analysis of the delays and their impact exponentially.
Folks like Larry make this political, Iām not. There were many even here in TNCR who were taking this seriously a few weeks before Trump eventually did. Now heās working 14-16 hours a day to deal with the mess.
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What I have heard no one mention thus far is the limitations the federal government has in dealing with situations like this. The question is not what should he have done, but what COULD he have done.
The stockpile existed but was limited. He had limited if any powers to mandate closures and social distancing. If he had declared martial law he would have been pilloried for that. He did put into motion the nation's business community to manufacture tests, vents, PPE, etc. as much as possible. that sort of switchover doesn't happen overnight. He got the FDA and CDC to hustle the hell up, a miracle in itself.
Yeah, it would have been better had we started a little earlier. But once it was clear the virus was spreading worldwide he acted, as did the governors. No one wanted to shut down until it was clear we had to.
His communications lacked finesse, that's for sure. But they were not nearly as bad as the press and Dems made out. I'd give him a C+ or B- on handling overall.
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The timeline: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/timeline-trump-administration-s-response-coronavirus-n1162206
Note: This timeline in the "politics" section of NBC is heavy on 'what he said' in addition to what actually was done.
What, specifically, should have been earlier?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@89th said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":
As Iāve said a number of times, he waited far too long to take the pandemic seriously, and then to advocate changes such as social distancing, and this delay in acceptance of the seriousness of the virus and the advocacy of social distancing had a profound impact on the height of the exponential curve of cases and deaths.
I agree hindsight is 20/20 and what I said above is objectively true. This is purely my analysis, I donāt even know what the MSM is saying (I donāt watch it). I also donāt care who the president is or their party, this is purely my analysis of the delays and their impact exponentially.
Folks like Larry make this political, Iām not. There were many even here in TNCR who were taking this seriously a few weeks before Trump eventually did. Now heās working 14-16 hours a day to deal with the mess.
So who should Trump believe? Dr. Fauci has been one of the lead advisors and Trump was shutting things down while Fauci was still telling people to get on cruise ships.
You sit in that Oval Office lad, and you make the decision to shut down the American economy, wrecking portions of it for perhaps a decade or more. You make that decision, trying to save lives from a virus, while you know you are ruining millions of lives when you do.
You sit in that office, taking in what your CDC and your FDA are telling you, and you try to make decisions on what is important and what may have to wait, or maybe what information might even be wrong. You're scrambling to allocate scarce medical supplies (some, like vents, haven't been needed at forecast levels), trying to get American industry to ramp up production and trying to keep the China pipeline open, knowing the Chinese are screwing you over.
You do it. You do it with 100% accuracy and efficacy. The fact is, no man but Jesus could do it, and he ain't interested in the job.
I don't know exactly what you do, but I know it involves some contract work from the government. I ask you, how easy is it to get the government to change basic policies and procedures, and then fully implement them? Even in times of war, it takes America years to effect massive change. A lot of changes have been made in the last few months that I would have told you were impossible to accomplish in that time frame.
Yes, Trump has made some mistakes. He needs to keep his mouth shut more. He needs to think before he tweets, a lot of the time. But in his basic approach to try to deal with a global pandemic on the limited information he had, trying not to totally wreck the nation's economy while operating in the fog of a medical war, he made a lot of right choices, also.
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89th, it doesn't matter how many times you say it, it won't change the fact that you are incorrect. I know you're convinced you're the smartest person in the room, but you're not. And there's nothing more frustrating than dealing with invincible ignorance. Ax has a long history of invincible ignorance. His main thrust was "Trump is incompetent". You agreed with him. Trump is not incompetent, that's is just a cold hard fact. You agreed with Taiwan Girl's post, even though she was attributing Democrat positions to republicans and Republican positions to democrats.
You're just plain wrong.
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@Jolly you make some great points in there.
It isnāt an easy job, and the impacts of shutting things down will have ripple effects for many years. I actually prefer Trumpās alpha dog leadership in many respects. I just wish he got to where he landed at the end of March, a few weeks earlier (using his alpha dog style) when it couldāve had a yuge impact on the exponential curve we now see.
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@George-K said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":
The timeline: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/timeline-trump-administration-s-response-coronavirus-n1162206
Note: This timeline in the "politics" section of NBC is heavy on 'what he said' in addition to what actually was done.
What, specifically, should have been earlier?
Before moving off of what was said, just having a President publicly take the outbreak seriously and erring on the side of caution and prudence instead of erring on the side of downplaying and saying itāll āgo awayā, wouldāve been a great example.
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