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The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Blockchain doomed?

    I hadn’t heard of the poster but he’s followed by lots of Silicon Valley royalty.

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    @jon-nyc said:

    Blockchain doomed?

    Why does this mean blockchain is doomed?

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      Well it’s not technically just in its current form.

      Shor’s algorithm breaks the math underlying most public key cryptography. But today it requires millions of years of computation whereas a sufficiently powerful quantum computer could do it in hours or less.

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      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

        @jon-nyc said:

        Blockchain doomed?

        Why does this mean blockchain is doomed?

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        @taiwan_girl said:

        Why does this mean blockchain is doomed?

        Only blockchains of certain implementations are doomed. Google's work is fairly specific about cracking the ECDSA 256-bit encryption method in a reasonable amount of time using a quantum computer that Google believes will come into existence sometime in 2029. Blockchains that use the ECDSA 256 (or fewer) bits encryption methods will be "doomed" if/when their underlying encryption can be broken in a reasonable amount of time -- using a quantum computer that may come into existence in 2029.

        But blockchain as a general concept will continue to have a place in technology and industrial applications. The U.S. government, especially through NIST, is spearheading the world-leading effort to standardize a bunch of new encryption methods that are expected to be "quantum resistant" -- i.e., encryption methods that even quantum computers cannot break for a very long time. New blockchains can be implemented using these quantum-resistant encryption methods and continue to be secure in the face of quantum computers.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Well it’s not technically just in its current form.

          Shor’s algorithm breaks the math underlying most public key cryptography. But today it requires millions of years of computation whereas a sufficiently powerful quantum computer could do it in hours or less.

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          @jon-nyc said:

          Well it’s not technically just in its current form.

          Shor’s algorithm breaks the math underlying most public key cryptography. But today it requires millions of years of computation whereas a sufficiently powerful quantum computer could do it in hours or less.

          With a 500K qubit computer, which is completely unknown whether that's ever going to work. Nobody knows whether quantum computing will ever be practically useful. I highly doubt we'll have a 500k qubit computer in the 2030s.

          Also, cryptographic algorithms can be changed. It just requires a "hard fork" of the blockchain.

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          • KlausK Klaus

            @jon-nyc said:

            Well it’s not technically just in its current form.

            Shor’s algorithm breaks the math underlying most public key cryptography. But today it requires millions of years of computation whereas a sufficiently powerful quantum computer could do it in hours or less.

            With a 500K qubit computer, which is completely unknown whether that's ever going to work. Nobody knows whether quantum computing will ever be practically useful. I highly doubt we'll have a 500k qubit computer in the 2030s.

            Also, cryptographic algorithms can be changed. It just requires a "hard fork" of the blockchain.

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            @Klaus said:

            With a 500K qubit computer, which is completely unknown whether that's ever going to work. Nobody knows whether quantum computing will ever be practically useful. I highly doubt we'll have a 500k qubit computer in the 2030s.

            More importantly, will it be able to run Crysis at 120fps?

            I was only joking

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              Quantum computing is way overrated in my opinion. Even if we'd have working quantum computers with millions of qbits, nothing really extraordinary would change. We'd have to upgrade some crypto technology to be quantum resistant. We'd set a few new records in finding large primes. And a few narrow applications, such as certain simulations, would become faster. But it's far from being a general purpose "make my program run faster" machine.

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                I think you’re too dismissive. It’s true the applications are narrow but that doesn’t mean they’re not impactful. Quantum computing could totally transform drug discovery, catalyst design, or battery chemistry for example.

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                  OK, yes, there are some quite useful application domains, but in the public media it is often presented as an "everything will be a million times faster" thing, which is completely false.

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                    yeah, it'll be a billion times faster

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                      Kidding, I have no idea.

                      I do know the moon apparently has a shitload of Helium 3 which would be awesome to have for clean fuel, energy, quantum this, Crysis at 120 fps, etc.

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