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  • 89th8 89th

    Bitcoin now at $117k

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    @89th said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

    Bitcoin now at $117k

    $121,000 now

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      Mainly due to the dollar plummeting no doubt.

      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        Blockchain doomed?

        I hadn’t heard of the poster but he’s followed by lots of Silicon Valley royalty.

        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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          I wish these people would speak in plain English rather than use all this technobabble.

          I was only joking

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            1. Plain English has been failing at keeping up with technology advancements. Heck, practically all natural languages have the same problem. There will always be subject matter that less than .01% of the population understand. "Plain language" is developed to accommodate the middle one to three sigmas of the general population. There will always be cases when plain language simply cannot do a subject matter justice.

            2. But if you really want that compromise to get some aspects of a message across to the middle one to three sigmas of the general population, sure, try a "plain language" approximation. AI can probably do that quite well most of the time these days.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Blockchain doomed?

              I hadn’t heard of the poster but he’s followed by lots of Silicon Valley royalty.

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              @jon-nyc said:

              Blockchain doomed?

              Why does this mean blockchain is doomed?

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                Well it’s not technically just in its current form.

                Shor’s algorithm breaks the math underlying most public key cryptography. But today it requires millions of years of computation whereas a sufficiently powerful quantum computer could do it in hours or less.

                Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  @jon-nyc said:

                  Blockchain doomed?

                  Why does this mean blockchain is doomed?

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                  @taiwan_girl said:

                  Why does this mean blockchain is doomed?

                  Only blockchains of certain implementations are doomed. Google's work is fairly specific about cracking the ECDSA 256-bit encryption method in a reasonable amount of time using a quantum computer that Google believes will come into existence sometime in 2029. Blockchains that use the ECDSA 256 (or fewer) bits encryption methods will be "doomed" if/when their underlying encryption can be broken in a reasonable amount of time -- using a quantum computer that may come into existence in 2029.

                  But blockchain as a general concept will continue to have a place in technology and industrial applications. The U.S. government, especially through NIST, is spearheading the world-leading effort to standardize a bunch of new encryption methods that are expected to be "quantum resistant" -- i.e., encryption methods that even quantum computers cannot break for a very long time. New blockchains can be implemented using these quantum-resistant encryption methods and continue to be secure in the face of quantum computers.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Well it’s not technically just in its current form.

                    Shor’s algorithm breaks the math underlying most public key cryptography. But today it requires millions of years of computation whereas a sufficiently powerful quantum computer could do it in hours or less.

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                    @jon-nyc said:

                    Well it’s not technically just in its current form.

                    Shor’s algorithm breaks the math underlying most public key cryptography. But today it requires millions of years of computation whereas a sufficiently powerful quantum computer could do it in hours or less.

                    With a 500K qubit computer, which is completely unknown whether that's ever going to work. Nobody knows whether quantum computing will ever be practically useful. I highly doubt we'll have a 500k qubit computer in the 2030s.

                    Also, cryptographic algorithms can be changed. It just requires a "hard fork" of the blockchain.

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                      @jon-nyc said:

                      Well it’s not technically just in its current form.

                      Shor’s algorithm breaks the math underlying most public key cryptography. But today it requires millions of years of computation whereas a sufficiently powerful quantum computer could do it in hours or less.

                      With a 500K qubit computer, which is completely unknown whether that's ever going to work. Nobody knows whether quantum computing will ever be practically useful. I highly doubt we'll have a 500k qubit computer in the 2030s.

                      Also, cryptographic algorithms can be changed. It just requires a "hard fork" of the blockchain.

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                      @Klaus said:

                      With a 500K qubit computer, which is completely unknown whether that's ever going to work. Nobody knows whether quantum computing will ever be practically useful. I highly doubt we'll have a 500k qubit computer in the 2030s.

                      More importantly, will it be able to run Crysis at 120fps?

                      I was only joking

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