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    Axtremus
    wrote on 10 May 2022, 11:53 last edited by
    #269

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/10/bitcoin-btc-investors-panic-as-terrausd-ust-sinks-below-1-peg.html

    The UST coin that's supposed to be pegged to the USD fell to 70 cents, making lots people worry that the issuer of UST may sell a lot of Bitcoins to prop the UST back up.

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      Mik
      wrote on 10 May 2022, 14:37 last edited by
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      β€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • A Axtremus
        10 May 2022, 11:53

        https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/10/bitcoin-btc-investors-panic-as-terrausd-ust-sinks-below-1-peg.html

        The UST coin that's supposed to be pegged to the USD fell to 70 cents, making lots people worry that the issuer of UST may sell a lot of Bitcoins to prop the UST back up.

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        xenon
        wrote on 11 May 2022, 18:32 last edited by xenon 5 Nov 2022, 18:33
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        @Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

        https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/10/bitcoin-btc-investors-panic-as-terrausd-ust-sinks-below-1-peg.html

        The UST coin that's supposed to be pegged to the USD fell to 70 cents, making lots people worry that the issuer of UST may sell a lot of Bitcoins to prop the UST back up.

        It all but collapsed today. And to put it in perspective UST and LUNA had a combined market cap of about $50B.

        That's about the same as GM.

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          89th
          wrote on 11 May 2022, 19:12 last edited by
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          Bought more bitcoin today. Of course, if coinbase goes bankrupt I'll lose all my cash there, but I'd have to imagine the odds of that are small.

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            xenon
            wrote on 11 May 2022, 20:31 last edited by
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            Bitcoin is the only one I would put a little money... (though I haven't yet)...

            Digital gold and all that...

            The rest of the stuff? I don't know how it makes anyone's life better. (Maybe lower remittance fees... that's about it).

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            • 8 89th
              11 May 2022, 19:12

              Bought more bitcoin today. Of course, if coinbase goes bankrupt I'll lose all my cash there, but I'd have to imagine the odds of that are small.

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              mark
              wrote on 11 May 2022, 20:52 last edited by mark 5 Nov 2022, 20:53
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              @89th I'm mining ETH and getting paid in Bitcoin. It's not a fortune but it is buffering the crash that is happening.

              I have very little cash invested in Crypto. It's more of a hobby than an investment strategy.

              Although I did pick up more SHIB. I have 40 million of them now. lol

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              • X xenon
                11 May 2022, 20:31

                Bitcoin is the only one I would put a little money... (though I haven't yet)...

                Digital gold and all that...

                The rest of the stuff? I don't know how it makes anyone's life better. (Maybe lower remittance fees... that's about it).

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                89th
                wrote on 12 May 2022, 18:42 last edited by
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                @xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                The rest of the stuff? I don't know how it makes anyone's life better. (Maybe lower remittance fees... that's about it).

                I think ETH is behind NFTs which I could see as a significant way of the future for digital ownership.

                @mark nice! Let's get SHIB to the moon.

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                • 8 89th
                  12 May 2022, 18:42

                  @xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                  The rest of the stuff? I don't know how it makes anyone's life better. (Maybe lower remittance fees... that's about it).

                  I think ETH is behind NFTs which I could see as a significant way of the future for digital ownership.

                  @mark nice! Let's get SHIB to the moon.

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                  xenon
                  wrote on 12 May 2022, 19:14 last edited by
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                  @89th said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                  @xenon said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                  The rest of the stuff? I don't know how it makes anyone's life better. (Maybe lower remittance fees... that's about it).

                  I think ETH is behind NFTs which I could see as a significant way of the future for digital ownership.

                  @mark nice! Let's get SHIB to the moon.

                  It could... but digital ownership of what though... I don't own anything that would benefit from having a "digital deed" or being subject to digital scarcity.... that might just be "me" bias though.

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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on 13 May 2022, 12:24 last edited by
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                    The supposedly β€œalgorithmically pegged” UST has collapsed, it’s related Luna coin is now deemed worthless on the open market:

                    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/13/cryptocurrency-luna-crashes-to-0-as-ust-falls-from-peg-bitcoin-rises.html

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 13 May 2022, 12:29 last edited by
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                      I don't invest in things I don't understand. Even after all the electrons put into this thread, I fail to see how crypto is a wise investment.

                      β€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". β€” Buck Sexton

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                      • J Jolly
                        13 May 2022, 12:29

                        I don't invest in things I don't understand. Even after all the electrons put into this thread, I fail to see how crypto is a wise investment.

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                        Catseye3
                        wrote on 13 May 2022, 12:44 last edited by
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                        @Jolly "I don't invest in things I don't understand."

                        You and Warren Buffett. That's why he's invested his whole life in Coca-Cola and none at all in computers.

                        Is that where you got this investing strategy? πŸ™‚

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        • C Catseye3
                          13 May 2022, 12:44

                          @Jolly "I don't invest in things I don't understand."

                          You and Warren Buffett. That's why he's invested his whole life in Coca-Cola and none at all in computers.

                          Is that where you got this investing strategy? πŸ™‚

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on 13 May 2022, 12:50 last edited by Axtremus
                          #280

                          @Catseye3 said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                          @Jolly "I don't invest in things I don't understand."

                          You and Warren Buffett. That's why he's invested his whole life in Coca-Cola and none at all in computers.

                          Well …

                          As of May 2, Apple Inc. is Berkshire Hathaway’s largest stock holding:
                          https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/02/buffett-bought-more-apple-last-quarter-and-says-he-would-have-added-more-if-the-stock-didnt-rebound.html

                          Buffet has been an Apple Inc. stock owner since 2016.

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                          • A Axtremus
                            13 May 2022, 12:50

                            @Catseye3 said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                            @Jolly "I don't invest in things I don't understand."

                            You and Warren Buffett. That's why he's invested his whole life in Coca-Cola and none at all in computers.

                            Well …

                            As of May 2, Apple Inc. is Berkshire Hathaway’s largest stock holding:
                            https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/02/buffett-bought-more-apple-last-quarter-and-says-he-would-have-added-more-if-the-stock-didnt-rebound.html

                            Buffet has been an Apple Inc. stock owner since 2016.

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                            Catseye3
                            wrote on 13 May 2022, 12:53 last edited by
                            #281

                            @Axtremus
                            Well, shet mah mouf.

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                              Mik
                              wrote on 13 May 2022, 13:04 last edited by
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                              I'm in Jolly's camp. I've read up on crypto and still don't really understand it so I steer clear.

                              Cats, I think you are referring to Buffett's lack of investment in the original dot com bubble back in the 90's.

                              β€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • M Mik
                                13 May 2022, 13:04

                                I'm in Jolly's camp. I've read up on crypto and still don't really understand it so I steer clear.

                                Cats, I think you are referring to Buffett's lack of investment in the original dot com bubble back in the 90's.

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                                Catseye3
                                wrote on 13 May 2022, 13:06 last edited by
                                #283

                                @Mik Probably so. IIRC, that's when I redd about it.

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                • C Catseye3
                                  13 May 2022, 12:44

                                  @Jolly "I don't invest in things I don't understand."

                                  You and Warren Buffett. That's why he's invested his whole life in Coca-Cola and none at all in computers.

                                  Is that where you got this investing strategy? πŸ™‚

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 13 May 2022, 13:28 last edited by
                                  #284

                                  @Catseye3 said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                  @Jolly "I don't invest in things I don't understand."

                                  You and Warren Buffett. That's why he's invested his whole life in Coca-Cola and none at all in computers.

                                  Is that where you got this investing strategy? πŸ™‚

                                  I've listened to a lot of Buffet and his partner. I've read and listened to Dave Ramsey. I like Graham's classic book. I like Jack Bogle's investing philosophy.

                                  If I could live my life over, there are some money things I would do different...or the same...

                                  1. Buffet said he started investing at 11, but wishes he had started investing at 7. I wish I had, too. Dollar average, dollar average, dollar average.
                                  2. Debt is a money killer. Some debt types are preferred over others. Mortgage debt is not entirely bad. Student loan debt - within reason - is not entirely bad. That comes with the caveat that you acquire DIY skills and start with a fixer-upper you can later sell at a profit. The caveat on student loan debt is you borrow no more than what you must and for most common degrees, there exists less expensive schools.
                                  3. Buy and hold. If you picked a good stock or a good fund, ride it.
                                  4. Diversify. Either by investing in the whole market by index funds or select sector funds in businesses that you know well. Own some real estate. Have a bit in bonds or bond funds.
                                  5. Always beware of fees. Some companies (example: M-L) will kill you with fees.
                                  6. Cash ain't bad. And the best way to acquire cash for the average person is to live below your means. You don't want too much of your wealth tied up in cash, but you want enough to be flexible in regards to opportunities or enough to cover any emergencies.

                                  That's a few, but I think you get most of my financial philosophy from that...

                                  β€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". β€” Buck Sexton

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                                  • J Jolly
                                    13 May 2022, 13:28

                                    @Catseye3 said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                    @Jolly "I don't invest in things I don't understand."

                                    You and Warren Buffett. That's why he's invested his whole life in Coca-Cola and none at all in computers.

                                    Is that where you got this investing strategy? πŸ™‚

                                    I've listened to a lot of Buffet and his partner. I've read and listened to Dave Ramsey. I like Graham's classic book. I like Jack Bogle's investing philosophy.

                                    If I could live my life over, there are some money things I would do different...or the same...

                                    1. Buffet said he started investing at 11, but wishes he had started investing at 7. I wish I had, too. Dollar average, dollar average, dollar average.
                                    2. Debt is a money killer. Some debt types are preferred over others. Mortgage debt is not entirely bad. Student loan debt - within reason - is not entirely bad. That comes with the caveat that you acquire DIY skills and start with a fixer-upper you can later sell at a profit. The caveat on student loan debt is you borrow no more than what you must and for most common degrees, there exists less expensive schools.
                                    3. Buy and hold. If you picked a good stock or a good fund, ride it.
                                    4. Diversify. Either by investing in the whole market by index funds or select sector funds in businesses that you know well. Own some real estate. Have a bit in bonds or bond funds.
                                    5. Always beware of fees. Some companies (example: M-L) will kill you with fees.
                                    6. Cash ain't bad. And the best way to acquire cash for the average person is to live below your means. You don't want too much of your wealth tied up in cash, but you want enough to be flexible in regards to opportunities or enough to cover any emergencies.

                                    That's a few, but I think you get most of my financial philosophy from that...

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                                    Axtremus
                                    wrote on 13 May 2022, 13:42 last edited by
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                                    @Jolly said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                    1. Buffet said he started investing at 11, but wishes he had started investing at 7. I wish I had, too.

                                    US law requires that you be at least 18 years old before you can open a brokerage account.

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                                    • J Jolly
                                      13 May 2022, 13:28

                                      @Catseye3 said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                      @Jolly "I don't invest in things I don't understand."

                                      You and Warren Buffett. That's why he's invested his whole life in Coca-Cola and none at all in computers.

                                      Is that where you got this investing strategy? πŸ™‚

                                      I've listened to a lot of Buffet and his partner. I've read and listened to Dave Ramsey. I like Graham's classic book. I like Jack Bogle's investing philosophy.

                                      If I could live my life over, there are some money things I would do different...or the same...

                                      1. Buffet said he started investing at 11, but wishes he had started investing at 7. I wish I had, too. Dollar average, dollar average, dollar average.
                                      2. Debt is a money killer. Some debt types are preferred over others. Mortgage debt is not entirely bad. Student loan debt - within reason - is not entirely bad. That comes with the caveat that you acquire DIY skills and start with a fixer-upper you can later sell at a profit. The caveat on student loan debt is you borrow no more than what you must and for most common degrees, there exists less expensive schools.
                                      3. Buy and hold. If you picked a good stock or a good fund, ride it.
                                      4. Diversify. Either by investing in the whole market by index funds or select sector funds in businesses that you know well. Own some real estate. Have a bit in bonds or bond funds.
                                      5. Always beware of fees. Some companies (example: M-L) will kill you with fees.
                                      6. Cash ain't bad. And the best way to acquire cash for the average person is to live below your means. You don't want too much of your wealth tied up in cash, but you want enough to be flexible in regards to opportunities or enough to cover any emergencies.

                                      That's a few, but I think you get most of my financial philosophy from that...

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                                      Klaus
                                      wrote on 13 May 2022, 13:44 last edited by
                                      #286

                                      @Jolly said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                      If I could live my life over, there are some money things I would do different...or the same...

                                      1. Buffet said he started investing at 11, but wishes he had started investing at 7. I wish I had, too. Dollar average, dollar average, dollar average.
                                      2. Debt is a money killer. Some debt types are preferred over others. Mortgage debt is not entirely bad. Student loan debt - within reason - is not entirely bad. That comes with the caveat that you acquire DIY skills and start with a fixer-upper you can later sell at a profit. The caveat on student loan debt is you borrow no more than what you must and for most common degrees, there exists less expensive schools.
                                      3. Buy and hold. If you picked a good stock or a good fund, ride it.
                                      4. Diversify. Either by investing in the whole market by index funds or select sector funds in businesses that you know well. Own some real estate. Have a bit in bonds or bond funds.
                                      5. Always beware of fees. Some companies (example: M-L) will kill you with fees.
                                      6. Cash ain't bad. And the best way to acquire cash for the average person is to live below your means. You don't want too much of your wealth tied up in cash, but you want enough to be flexible in regards to opportunities or enough to cover any emergencies.

                                      Sounds good. I'd sharpen 2. to "No debt ever, except for a house (and in the US potentially student loan)". Don't have the cash for a new car? Buy a used one you can afford.

                                      I'd add: If you have money to spend, spend it on big "dream-fulfilling" things, rather than on general lifestyle things.

                                      And: Don't buy insurance for something that won't kill you financially in the damage event. The ROI is bad, so it's only worth it if the damage case is life-threatening.

                                      And: Separate friends and money. Don't lend money to your friends, or ask them for money.

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                                      • A Axtremus
                                        13 May 2022, 13:42

                                        @Jolly said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                        1. Buffet said he started investing at 11, but wishes he had started investing at 7. I wish I had, too.

                                        US law requires that you be at least 18 years old before you can open a brokerage account.

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                                        Klaus
                                        wrote on 13 May 2022, 13:45 last edited by
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                                        @Axtremus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                        @Jolly said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                        1. Buffet said he started investing at 11, but wishes he had started investing at 7. I wish I had, too.

                                        US law requires that you be at least 18 years old before you can open a brokerage account.

                                        You seem to have a too narrow view of what an investment can be.

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                                        • M Mik
                                          13 May 2022, 13:04

                                          I'm in Jolly's camp. I've read up on crypto and still don't really understand it so I steer clear.

                                          Cats, I think you are referring to Buffett's lack of investment in the original dot com bubble back in the 90's.

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                                          wrote on 13 May 2022, 13:51 last edited by
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                                          @Mik said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                          I'm in Jolly's camp. I've read up on crypto and still don't really understand it so I steer clear.

                                          Me three. NFTs, for example, are absolutely a greater fool scheme and any sane appraisal of them would show them to be the grift that they are.

                                          And all NFTs are, are digital baubles intended for you to buy crypto. So no thanks to all of it. It's hypercapitalist usury.

                                          Please love yourself.

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