Help me build a gaming PC
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@doctor-phibes said in Help me build a gaming PC:
The problem with pre-builds can be that the cooling often isn't nearly as effective as it ought to be, and they sometimes try and use sub-standard components, such as power supplies.
Someone want to recommend cooling? I'm not even sure how it works these days. Just fans?
@jon-nyc said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@doctor-phibes said in Help me build a gaming PC:
The problem with pre-builds can be that the cooling often isn't nearly as effective as it ought to be, and they sometimes try and use sub-standard components, such as power supplies.
Someone want to recommend cooling? I'm not even sure how it works these days. Just fans?
There's air cooling with fans and also liquid cooling. The simple approach for liquid is to use a pre-built All in one (AIO) cooler. Liquid tends to be a bit quieter, but there is some debate whether it's any more effective. I had one fail on me years ago, and it trashed my motherboard, but they're supposed to be more reliable now if you get a decent one.
The issue with cooling and pre-builds seems to be more associated with the case being poorly arranged. Alienware/Dell have these really fancy-looking cases, that are actually pretty shit. They just stick a load of plastic on a really cheap and nasty case, and the air circulation is poor. But they look great.
If you're not building it yourself, try and find a review of the particular PC build on YouTube by one of the better review channels - e.g. Linus Tech Tips, GamersNexus, or JayZTwoCents. I've looked at these three, and they seem honest and knowledgeable, but I'm sure there are lots of others.
Again - disclaimer, I'm in no way an expert on this stuff.
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@jon-nyc said in Help me build a gaming PC:
This is not a pre-built.
OK, sorry. If you don't me asking, how much are you paying for the 3070 GPU?
I was only joking
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3070 is a great card and typically in the "high-end value" spot.
Very few current games would tax it unless you play in 4K.
For cooling - the best solution unless you're looking to overclock your CPU is an air-cooler.
The Noctua coolers (they use to come only in a weird beige) perform better than many AIO cooler and are actually quieter these days. They're huge and chunky though. Don't look as sexy in the box as an AIO.
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I prefer modern AIO cooling over Air coolers. I have the biggest Air Cooler from Noctua (the new all Black version) and both of my AIO's (a 240 and a 360) keep my 16 core Ryzen 5950 processors cooler when maxing them out. I do have them overclocked just a bit. The air cooler is sitting in the box for another lower-end build whenever I get around to it. I bought it to use because it was in-stock and wanted to to get started on my builds. It works great for day to day use but I vastly prefer the AIO coolers.
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Yeah, I’d skip the fans and go with liquid cooling
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Kit build? You pick the components and they ship for you to assemble?
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We are quite pleased with our Alienware…
@lufins-dad said in Help me build a gaming PC:
We are quite pleased with our Alienware…
I've got a 5-year old Alienware laptop, which I was very happy with, it was by far the best laptop I've ever owned - more of a desktop replacement, really. I only really upgraded after 5 years as it was struggling with VR, and it was a good excuse to donate it to the kids.
I've never used the desktops, so I'm just repeating what I've heard, but they could easily be fine.
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No. Whenever I try, I'm bored to death after 20 minutes. But I know the technology and have an informed opinion about the engineering and marketing considerations of game design.
I'm not talking about Jon's specific needs right now - I'm sure he'll get a good number of concrete suggestions from the usual suspects - but about the future of computer games in general.
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This look boring to you?
Link to video@lufins-dad said in Help me build a gaming PC:
This look boring to you?
Link to videoThat looks awesome!
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@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
No. Whenever I try, I'm bored to death after 20 minutes.
Me too.
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing."
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This look boring to you?
Link to video@lufins-dad said in Help me build a gaming PC:
This look boring to you?
The graphics look nice, but that doesn't do anything for me. I don't care much whether the graphics looks like a 1990s DOS game or whether it is indistinguishable from a Hollywood movie.
If you have a game of chess and make very elaborate versions of the pieces, with all kinds of bells and whistles, would it make the game more interesting? It may impress you briefly, but after a while you realize that the superficial sugar coating doesn't add much and it becomes just a normal game of chess.
What's the difference between games and real life? I'd say the main difference is that games operate on symbolic abstractions rather than on "real" things. It is in some ways against the spirit of games to make them too "real".
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@lufins-dad said in Help me build a gaming PC:
This look boring to you?
The graphics look nice, but that doesn't do anything for me. I don't care much whether the graphics looks like a 1990s DOS game or whether it is indistinguishable from a Hollywood movie.
If you have a game of chess and make very elaborate versions of the pieces, with all kinds of bells and whistles, would it make the game more interesting? It may impress you briefly, but after a while you realize that the superficial sugar coating doesn't add much and it becomes just a normal game of chess.
What's the difference between games and real life? I'd say the main difference is that games operate on symbolic abstractions rather than on "real" things. It is in some ways against the spirit of games to make them too "real".
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
What's the difference between games and real life?
Apart from the fact that real life sucks?
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@lufins-dad said in Help me build a gaming PC:
This look boring to you?
The graphics look nice, but that doesn't do anything for me. I don't care much whether the graphics looks like a 1990s DOS game or whether it is indistinguishable from a Hollywood movie.
If you have a game of chess and make very elaborate versions of the pieces, with all kinds of bells and whistles, would it make the game more interesting? It may impress you briefly, but after a while you realize that the superficial sugar coating doesn't add much and it becomes just a normal game of chess.
What's the difference between games and real life? I'd say the main difference is that games operate on symbolic abstractions rather than on "real" things. It is in some ways against the spirit of games to make them too "real".
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@lufins-dad said in Help me build a gaming PC:
This look boring to you?
The graphics look nice, but that doesn't do anything for me. I don't care much whether the graphics looks like a 1990s DOS game or whether it is indistinguishable from a Hollywood movie.
If you have a game of chess and make very elaborate versions of the pieces, with all kinds of bells and whistles, would it make the game more interesting? It may impress you briefly, but after a while you realize that the superficial sugar coating doesn't add much and it becomes just a normal game of chess.
What's the difference between games and real life? I'd say the main difference is that games operate on symbolic abstractions rather than on "real" things. It is in some ways against the spirit of games to make them too "real".
Next thing you’re going to say is there isn’t a Santa Claus…
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@lufins-dad said in Help me build a gaming PC:
This look boring to you?
The graphics look nice, but that doesn't do anything for me. I don't care much whether the graphics looks like a 1990s DOS game or whether it is indistinguishable from a Hollywood movie.
If you have a game of chess and make very elaborate versions of the pieces, with all kinds of bells and whistles, would it make the game more interesting? It may impress you briefly, but after a while you realize that the superficial sugar coating doesn't add much and it becomes just a normal game of chess.
What's the difference between games and real life? I'd say the main difference is that games operate on symbolic abstractions rather than on "real" things. It is in some ways against the spirit of games to make them too "real".
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
It is in some ways against the spirit of games to make them too "real".
If I wanted to sit around in a stupid fantasy listening to lots of made up shit that was completely devoid of reality, I'd come here!
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@lufins-dad said in Help me build a gaming PC:
This look boring to you?
The graphics look nice, but that doesn't do anything for me. I don't care much whether the graphics looks like a 1990s DOS game or whether it is indistinguishable from a Hollywood movie.
If you have a game of chess and make very elaborate versions of the pieces, with all kinds of bells and whistles, would it make the game more interesting? It may impress you briefly, but after a while you realize that the superficial sugar coating doesn't add much and it becomes just a normal game of chess.
What's the difference between games and real life? I'd say the main difference is that games operate on symbolic abstractions rather than on "real" things. It is in some ways against the spirit of games to make them too "real".
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@lufins-dad said in Help me build a gaming PC:
This look boring to you?
The graphics look nice, but that doesn't do anything for me. I don't care much whether the graphics looks like a 1990s DOS game or whether it is indistinguishable from a Hollywood movie.
If you have a game of chess and make very elaborate versions of the pieces, with all kinds of bells and whistles, would it make the game more interesting? It may impress you briefly, but after a while you realize that the superficial sugar coating doesn't add much and it becomes just a normal game of chess.
What's the difference between games and real life? I'd say the main difference is that games operate on symbolic abstractions rather than on "real" things. It is in some ways against the spirit of games to make them too "real".
What a buzzkill.
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@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@lufins-dad said in Help me build a gaming PC:
This look boring to you?
The graphics look nice, but that doesn't do anything for me. I don't care much whether the graphics looks like a 1990s DOS game or whether it is indistinguishable from a Hollywood movie.
If you have a game of chess and make very elaborate versions of the pieces, with all kinds of bells and whistles, would it make the game more interesting? It may impress you briefly, but after a while you realize that the superficial sugar coating doesn't add much and it becomes just a normal game of chess.
What's the difference between games and real life? I'd say the main difference is that games operate on symbolic abstractions rather than on "real" things. It is in some ways against the spirit of games to make them too "real".
What a buzzkill.
