Help me build a gaming PC
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@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
What, exactly, qualifies a PC as a "gaming PC?"
Better video card?Pretty much. You'd expect at least an i5 processor or AMD equivalent and 16 gig of RAM. Frequently it's marketing gimicry such as lots of LED bling and what-have-you, but really it's the GPU that's important. I guess you also want a decent number of USB ports and a motherboard that supports overclocking the processor, although I must admit I never overclock.
@doctor-phibes said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
What, exactly, qualifies a PC as a "gaming PC?"
Better video card?Pretty much. You'd expect at least an i5 processor or AMD equivalent and 16 gig of RAM. Frequently it's marketing gimicry such as lots of LED bling and what-have-you, but really it's the GPU that's important. I guess you also want a decent number of USB ports and a motherboard that supports overclocking the processor, although I must admit I never overclock.
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
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@doctor-phibes said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
What, exactly, qualifies a PC as a "gaming PC?"
Better video card?Pretty much. You'd expect at least an i5 processor or AMD equivalent and 16 gig of RAM. Frequently it's marketing gimicry such as lots of LED bling and what-have-you, but really it's the GPU that's important. I guess you also want a decent number of USB ports and a motherboard that supports overclocking the processor, although I must admit I never overclock.
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
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@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
Very many are not.
Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
Some are, and I assume in the near future most of them will be - due to the advent of modern JavaScript and HTML5 they'll run in your browser.
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@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
Very many are not.
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
Very many are not.
Also, even if they're compatible, the game designers are unlikely to optimise for Apple's GPU's, and looking at them, they don't look as though the ventilation is really designed around gaming. Modern video cards often take a fair amount of cooling.
I think a better answer for gaming if you don't want a PC is probably a Playstation or Xbox.
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@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
Some are, and I assume in the near future most of them will be - due to the advent of modern JavaScript and HTML5 they'll run in your browser.
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
Some are, and I assume in the near future most of them will be - due to the advent of modern JavaScript and HTML5 they'll run in your browser.
Jon should not buy a mac for gaming.
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@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
Some are, and I assume in the near future most of them will be - due to the advent of modern JavaScript and HTML5 they'll run in your browser.
Jon should not buy a mac for gaming.
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
Some are, and I assume in the near future most of them will be - due to the advent of modern JavaScript and HTML5 they'll run in your browser.
Jon should not buy a mac for gaming.
Indeed, pay no attention to the German with his lame browser-based gaming solutions! You need, and what's more DESERVE freaking ray-tracing and DLSS.
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@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
Some are, and I assume in the near future most of them will be - due to the advent of modern JavaScript and HTML5 they'll run in your browser.
Jon should not buy a mac for gaming.
Indeed, pay no attention to the German with his lame browser-based gaming solutions! You need, and what's more DESERVE freaking ray-tracing and DLSS.
@doctor-phibes said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
Some are, and I assume in the near future most of them will be - due to the advent of modern JavaScript and HTML5 they'll run in your browser.
Jon should not buy a mac for gaming.
Indeed, pay no attention to the German with his lame browser-based gaming solutions! You need, and what's more DESERVE freaking ray-tracing and DLSS.
Did you ever take a look at Google Stadia and the like? You can get all the ray-tracing and 4K resolution and whatnot, and all you need is a $5 processor that can turn a network video stream into an HDMI signal. They even have an impressive handle on the latency issue.
But in any case, there's a lot of evidence that the future of gaming is cloud-based and the clients will be lightweight JavaScript frontends.
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@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
But in any case, there's a lot of evidence that the future of gaming is cloud-based and the clients will be lightweight JavaScript frontends.
Yes because everyone knows you buy gaming gear based on where the future of the technology is probably going, not at all based on games you want to play right now.
Do you even play, Klaus? -
No. Whenever I try, I'm bored to death after 20 minutes. But I know the technology and have an informed opinion about the engineering and marketing considerations of game design.
I'm not talking about Jon's specific needs right now - I'm sure he'll get a good number of concrete suggestions from the usual suspects - but about the future of computer games in general.
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@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
No. Whenever I try, I'm bored to death after 20 minutes. But I know the technology and have an informed opinion about the engineering and marketing considerations of game design.
I'm not talking about Jon's specific needs right now but about the future of computer games in general.
You do you, Ax!
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No. Whenever I try, I'm bored to death after 20 minutes. But I know the technology and have an informed opinion about the engineering and marketing considerations of game design.
I'm not talking about Jon's specific needs right now - I'm sure he'll get a good number of concrete suggestions from the usual suspects - but about the future of computer games in general.
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
No. Whenever I try, I'm bored to death after 20 minutes. But I know the technology and have an informed opinion about the engineering and marketing considerations of game design.
I'm not talking about Jon's specific needs right now - I'm sure he'll get a good number of concrete suggestions from the usual suspects - but about the future of computer games in general.
You might be right, but it's worth noting that the obsolescence of gaming PC's as we know them has been just around the corner for about 30 years now.
I was only joking
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What do you guys think of this? I found a source that has an NVIDIA 3070 available.
Iy'll go over 2k, but it was a soft limit anyway.
@jon-nyc said in Help me build a gaming PC:
What do you guys think of this? I found a source that has an NVIDIA 3070 available.
Iy'll go over 2k, but it was a soft limit anyway.
I'm not really an expert, but it looks alright to me. The one I bought a couple of months back is pretty similar to that, except it's an Intel i7 processor, and it runs everything I've thrown at it on full detail, except for VR, which it still runs well, just not quite at full beans. For regular stuff, it's as fast as all heck - boots in a couple of seconds.
The problem with pre-builds can be that the cooling often isn't nearly as effective as it ought to be, and they sometimes try and use sub-standard components, such as power supplies. Also, pre-installed bloatware can be excessive. The Powerspec PC's seem to have pretty good cooling, and just about zero bloatware.
I was only joking
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@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
No. Whenever I try, I'm bored to death after 20 minutes. But I know the technology and have an informed opinion about the engineering and marketing considerations of game design.
I'm not talking about Jon's specific needs right now - I'm sure he'll get a good number of concrete suggestions from the usual suspects - but about the future of computer games in general.
You might be right, but it's worth noting that the obsolescence of gaming PC's as we know them has been just around the corner for about 30 years now.
@doctor-phibes said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
No. Whenever I try, I'm bored to death after 20 minutes. But I know the technology and have an informed opinion about the engineering and marketing considerations of game design.
I'm not talking about Jon's specific needs right now - I'm sure he'll get a good number of concrete suggestions from the usual suspects - but about the future of computer games in general.
You might be right, but it's worth noting that the obsolescence of gaming PC's as we know them has been just around the corner for about 30 years now.
There's a well-known "wave" in computer science that applies to all kinds of applications, not just games, namely the "thin client" vs "fat client" model. Every decade or so, the two change roles. To take the example of games, the "thin client" model was very popular in the 1970s and 1980s in the form of text-based multi-user dungeon games. For games, the cycle back to "thin client" took a bit longer than for other forms of applications due to the emphasis on graphics and the required network bandwith and latency requirements. For other application domains, we saw a return to thin-client based on HTML in the early 2000s, and now we get back to "medium-thin clients" based on JavaScript, and that seems to become the sweet spot for a while.
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@doctor-phibes said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
No. Whenever I try, I'm bored to death after 20 minutes. But I know the technology and have an informed opinion about the engineering and marketing considerations of game design.
I'm not talking about Jon's specific needs right now - I'm sure he'll get a good number of concrete suggestions from the usual suspects - but about the future of computer games in general.
You might be right, but it's worth noting that the obsolescence of gaming PC's as we know them has been just around the corner for about 30 years now.
There's a well-known "wave" in computer science that applies to all kinds of applications, not just games, namely the "thin client" vs "fat client" model. Every decade or so, the two change roles. To take the example of games, the "thin client" model was very popular in the 1970s and 1980s in the form of text-based multi-user dungeon games. For games, the cycle back to "thin client" took a bit longer than for other forms of applications due to the emphasis on graphics and the required network bandwith and latency requirements. For other application domains, we saw a return to thin-client based on HTML in the early 2000s, and now we get back to "medium-thin clients" based on JavaScript, and that seems to become the sweet spot for a while.
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
To take the example of games, the "thin client" model was very popular in the 1970s and 1980s in the form of text-based multi-user dungeon games.
I think "very popular" is maybe overstating it a little
I used to play text-based adventure games, and I was in a very small minority.
It's going to be interesting to see where cloud-based gaming goes. I've heard quite a bit about it, but currently I don't believe it really works as well as having everything on the local PC.
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@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
To take the example of games, the "thin client" model was very popular in the 1970s and 1980s in the form of text-based multi-user dungeon games.
I think "very popular" is maybe overstating it a little
I used to play text-based adventure games, and I was in a very small minority.
It's going to be interesting to see where cloud-based gaming goes. I've heard quite a bit about it, but currently I don't believe it really works as well as having everything on the local PC.
@doctor-phibes said in Help me build a gaming PC:
I think "very popular" is maybe overstating it a little
Well, gaming in general wasn't very popular in the 1970s, but among those who did play computer games, MUDs were popular and basically the only option to play with others.
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@doctor-phibes said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@george-k said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@aqua-letifer said in Help me build a gaming PC:
Also, shouldn't be a mac.
I've heard the M1s are pretty good in terms of graphics.
Are online games cross-platform?
Some are, and I assume in the near future most of them will be - due to the advent of modern JavaScript and HTML5 they'll run in your browser.
Jon should not buy a mac for gaming.
Indeed, pay no attention to the German with his lame browser-based gaming solutions! You need, and what's more DESERVE freaking ray-tracing and DLSS.
Did you ever take a look at Google Stadia and the like? You can get all the ray-tracing and 4K resolution and whatnot, and all you need is a $5 processor that can turn a network video stream into an HDMI signal. They even have an impressive handle on the latency issue.
But in any case, there's a lot of evidence that the future of gaming is cloud-based and the clients will be lightweight JavaScript frontends.
@klaus said in Help me build a gaming PC:
But in any case, there's a lot of evidence that the future of gaming is cloud-based and the clients will be lightweight JavaScript frontends.
Something like that will happen. You can't make money selling a copy that just works forever and is not connected to the internet.
I still regularly play the original Halo on the PC. There is no internet connection. I can play the game forever at no additional cost.
But of course Microsoft is always trying to make old software obsolete so Halo will not work one of these days.
Apple wants everything to be obsolete the minute you buy it. And their fans love it, they just want new stuff as soon as they can get it.
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@jon-nyc said in Help me build a gaming PC:
What do you guys think of this? I found a source that has an NVIDIA 3070 available.
Iy'll go over 2k, but it was a soft limit anyway.
I'm not really an expert, but it looks alright to me. The one I bought a couple of months back is pretty similar to that, except it's an Intel i7 processor, and it runs everything I've thrown at it on full detail, except for VR, which it still runs well, just not quite at full beans. For regular stuff, it's as fast as all heck - boots in a couple of seconds.
The problem with pre-builds can be that the cooling often isn't nearly as effective as it ought to be, and they sometimes try and use sub-standard components, such as power supplies. Also, pre-installed bloatware can be excessive. The Powerspec PC's seem to have pretty good cooling, and just about zero bloatware.
@doctor-phibes said in Help me build a gaming PC:
The problem with pre-builds can be that the cooling often isn't nearly as effective as it ought to be, and they sometimes try and use sub-standard components, such as power supplies.
Someone want to recommend cooling? I'm not even sure how it works these days. Just fans?
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@doctor-phibes said in Help me build a gaming PC:
The problem with pre-builds can be that the cooling often isn't nearly as effective as it ought to be, and they sometimes try and use sub-standard components, such as power supplies.
Someone want to recommend cooling? I'm not even sure how it works these days. Just fans?
@jon-nyc said in Help me build a gaming PC:
@doctor-phibes said in Help me build a gaming PC:
The problem with pre-builds can be that the cooling often isn't nearly as effective as it ought to be, and they sometimes try and use sub-standard components, such as power supplies.
Someone want to recommend cooling? I'm not even sure how it works these days. Just fans?
There's air cooling with fans and also liquid cooling. The simple approach for liquid is to use a pre-built All in one (AIO) cooler. Liquid tends to be a bit quieter, but there is some debate whether it's any more effective. I had one fail on me years ago, and it trashed my motherboard, but they're supposed to be more reliable now if you get a decent one.
The issue with cooling and pre-builds seems to be more associated with the case being poorly arranged. Alienware/Dell have these really fancy-looking cases, that are actually pretty shit. They just stick a load of plastic on a really cheap and nasty case, and the air circulation is poor. But they look great.
If you're not building it yourself, try and find a review of the particular PC build on YouTube by one of the better review channels - e.g. Linus Tech Tips, GamersNexus, or JayZTwoCents. I've looked at these three, and they seem honest and knowledgeable, but I'm sure there are lots of others.
Again - disclaimer, I'm in no way an expert on this stuff.
