Summing up the Gates haters

[Mik]

I just cannot understand the Gates haters. Here is a guy who has pledged his fortune and his life to the betterment of life here on earth. He has done immense good for possibly millions already.

I cannot imagine having that wealth and not doing that.

[Horace]

I suspect "gates haters" don't know much of anything about him. However many "gates haters" there actually are.

[Larry]

I didn't even know there were any Gates haters.

[Loki]

@Larry said in Summing up the Gates haters:

I didn't even know there were any Gates haters.

Fvcker put a chip in my head. I am quite sure of it. Heard I can inject bleach to kill the chip. Serves that Dickhead right, thinks he’s so goddamn right and clever.

[Larry]

Hahahaha

[Horace]

The existence of internet memes appears to be sufficient justification for left wing sneering at how crazy the right tends to be. In seriousness, the Russians and any other professional or avocational trolls can very easily use that. American culture is so easy to troll because individuals are so eager to have their tribal biases confirmed.

[Larry]

[taiwan_girl]

@Mik said in Summing up the Gates haters:

I just cannot understand the Gates haters. Here is a guy who has pledged his fortune and his life to the betterment of life here on earth. He has done immense good for possibly millions already.

I cannot imagine having that wealth and not doing that.

I agree.

[Mik]

Such an opportunity to make one's life so much more meaningful.

[LuFins Dad]

@taiwan_girl said in Summing up the Gates haters:

@Mik said in Summing up the Gates haters:

I just cannot understand the Gates haters. Here is a guy who has pledged his fortune and his life to the betterment of life here on earth. He has done immense good for possibly millions already.

I cannot imagine having that wealth and not doing that.

I agree.

A big part of it has to do with the manner that Gates acquired his wealth. Let's face it, the guy did fvck over an awful lot of his competitors on his way to the top including stealing innovations. The guy bullied his employees and many of his vendors. The guy may have pulled a complete 180, but he did build quite a reputation as an asshole and a lot of people have long memories.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Mik said in Summing up the Gates haters:

I just cannot understand the Gates haters.

Windows 3.1.1.

How soon you forget.

[Rainman]

Gates has funded many ideas and influenced way beyond expectations. He interjects his ideas, or support, via his massive checkbook. Some ideas work, some don't.

He initiated the "houses" concept in public high schools, his "small schools initiative" concept inside of large comprehensive high schools. It was not a research based initiative, but boy, when he brings out that checkbook! It did not work, it was considered a very bad idea for a number of reasons. Lasted for several years (sorry kids), and is no longer around.

Gates checkbook was involved and was a catalyst for Common Core State Standards. He funded via Achieve Inc., without his heavy influence, Common Core would not have gotten off the ground. Coleman et al. were paid indirectly, by Gates, to write and implement the CCSS, as well as his funding of PARCC as well as SBAC, the testing which made Common Core a curriculum. That's the most influential thing one can do in society: curriculum for the public schools.

Anyway, my point is that people like Gates and Soros and the rest, can change society and regions of the world, via their checkbooks. Sometimes it's a good idea, sometimes it's not.

Money changes everything.

But, I never voted for Gates. And that bothers me the most.

[jon-nyc]

That bothers me least.

And that sort of collectivist argument surprises me from you. I want 100s of extremely wealthy people trying out their own ideas philanthropically to see what works. Some will be ideological but even those will be different ideologies from different people. Compare that to ‘the people we voted for’ having a monopoly on where charity is spent. If that sounds like a good idea to you, imagine some future with a President Ocasio-Cortez (or equivalent) and a Speaker Ilhan (or equivalent) having a monopoly on such spending and tell me you don’t want your billionaires back.

[Rainman]

Jon, if AOC gets into a position as you outline, we deserve what we get. She is voted into office, or will be voted in as president.

Don't confuse helping eliminate disease (Gates) with social experiments in American public education.

And, I'm not all that sure what Gates has done in Africa goes without criticism, sometimes.

I will not sit back and enjoy how multi-billionaires think people should live and behave, just as I won't support those in politics that want to tell us how to live and behave, outside this pandemic, I guess.

What if Rainman suddenly got wealthy beyond belief? Would you mind if I spend my money to indoctrinate kids in public school to what I believe is "right" in terms of curriculum?

If so, let me develop a curriculum for your child. It should be just as good as if I could afford to support a curriculum for millions of children, right?

Send me your address, I've got plenty of "adheres to Common Core Standards" textbooks handed out by publishers hoping we would buy their indoctrination.

"Critical Thinking Skills." Yeah, right. READ it as a parent should, then tell me about what skills are being developed for the average child.

[Rainman]

Quoting myself:
"I will not sit back and enjoy how multi-billionaires think people should live and behave, just as I won't support those in politics that want to tell us how to live and behave, outside this pandemic, I guess."

My quote above is not true. It's the same thing, except how the money is channeled. Whether the billionaires fund behind the scenes, or indirectly fund political candidates: same effect, same influence.

[Copper]

Mr. Gates competed and won.

There are a lot of guys who competed against him and didn't win, as much as him, but did OK.

The system works.

You may not always like the winners and losers, but it works.

[Mik]

I didn’t vote for Carnegie either but certainly benefitted from growing up with one of his libraries.

That Gates is not elected doesn’t bother me at all. Most of the institutions we cherish today, particularly the arts, were not government projects but philanthropy. Anyone can try to sell their ideas for a better world, and usually should. That he has more ability due to his fortune doesn’t exempt him from having to have support other than money.

[Doctor Phibes]

Saying that Bill Gates shouldn't use his money actively is basically saying you want the government to control everything. If you think that will reduce indoctrination, you haven't been concentrating.

[Rainman]

Mik:
"I didn’t vote for Carnegie either but certainly benefitted from growing up with one of his libraries."

OK, that's a stupid comparison.

Gates can build as many libraries as he wants, I will agree that is great!

But Carnegie DID NOT tell the people after constructing a library, or establishing the Carnegie Commission, WHAT was to be in the library, or what music should be played.

Is it really that hard to understand, what the difference is?

Geeze, I believe I am making some sense in the words I use, but it's like people do not, or do not want, to understand.

Fine, you're right. End of discussion.

[Doctor Phibes]

I trust Bill Gates a lot more than I trust the people you dumb colonials vote for.