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The real reason the ports are backed up

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  • LarryL Offline
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    Larry
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    You'll hear Biden and the Socialists give you a line of bull shit about why the cargo ships are just sitting at the ports and not being unloaded, and the resulting shortages of goods. Theyll tell you that truck drivers are the problem - they wont work. Biden today stated that this is a perfect example of the failure of private ownership of the means of transporting goods, and that it proves why government should take over that industry so that it wont happen any more. Then he explained how taking over transportation will help with climate change, we need to "do it for the children".... and all the other dumb fuck bull shit the Socialist party trots out.

    But I'm going to tell you the real reason those ships aren't being unloaded. It's not that truck drivers won't work. It's the same as always when a [s]democra.t[/s] Socialist politician gets involved.. a long time ago I owned a trucking company, and I still keep up with that industry. It's not the lack of trucks, it's not a lack of drivers. Literally thousands of trucks and drivers are sitting outside California wanting the work - needing the work.... but the state of California won't let them in.

    Why?

    Because the Socialist Party wants only union members. A large portion of the trucking industry is made up of owner/operators. Guys who work for themselves, or lease themselves to a small trucking company. As a self employed person, you aren't in the union. Gavin Newsome is responsible for the recent law called AB5. AB5 requires that all truck drivers be employees of companies that are in the union. If you work as an independent contractor, you're not allowed to work in California. Second, no truck older than a 2011 year model is allowed to be registered or driven in california. Third, even those companies that are unionized are not buying new trucks, because AB5 requires that all trucks be electric only by the year 2035. Electric tractor trailers don't even exist yet. So you can't operate a truck built before 2011, and you can't justify the expense of updating your fleet when in 2 or 13 years you'll have to replace them with electric trucks that don't exist.

    So what it amounts to is you WILL be a union worker, and if you're not, we will regulate you out of existence, and we will spin a narrative blaming you for the problem, and a whole lot of people will believe us because a whole lot of people are stupid.

    This is common tactics for [s]democrats[/s] Socialists. It is why I hate that political party with a purple passion. They are CAUSING this problem.

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      Funny how unionized truckers in California cause supply chain issues in Belgium.

      Maybe Mik’s link that it’s complex and multi-causal but mostly traceable back to a global pandemic is a more accurate, if less satisfying, explanation than “because the other tribe is bad.”

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        Over 60 ships waiting to unload at Long Beach with the average unload time of 3 to 4 days. That's a 6 to 9 month backlog to unload what's already waiting offshore.

        They could certainty greatly reduce that time by re-routing those ships thru the Panama Canal to the port of Miami. Miami has the capacity to handle the additional traffic and doesn't have the bullshit reg's that California has.

        We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
        Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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        • ImprovisoI Improviso

          Over 60 ships waiting to unload at Long Beach with the average unload time of 3 to 4 days. That's a 6 to 9 month backlog to unload what's already waiting offshore.

          They could certainty greatly reduce that time by re-routing those ships thru the Panama Canal to the port of Miami. Miami has the capacity to handle the additional traffic and doesn't have the bullshit reg's that California has.

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          @improviso

          https://flaports.org/floridas-answer-to-the-global-supply-chain-crisis-save-time-money-by-calling-on-florida-seaports/

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            @jon-nyc said in The real reason the ports are backed up:

            Funny how unionized truckers in California cause supply chain issues in Belgium.

            Maybe Mik’s link that it’s complex and multi-causal but mostly traceable back to a global pandemic is a more accurate, if less satisfying, explanation than “because the other tribe is bad.”

            I don't give a damn about why Belgium is having supply chain issues. For all we know their issues are a chain reaction to our issues. All I know is the information I gave you is factual. If that upsets your politics, tough.

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              Yeah I’m so committed to SB5 and unionization. I would be devastated if unionized trucking caused supply chain issues.

              I actually had to fire someone because of SB5, instead of keep her on as a contractor.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                From the news last night...

                https://www.fox8live.com/2021/10/13/shipping-backups-port-nola-not-bad-us-coasts/?outputType=apps

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  My initial reaction was to blame Brexit.

                  I was only joking

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                    I completely missed Biden’s remarks today. Did he really implicate commercial transport and promote nationalizing the industry?

                    At any rate, both Jon and Larry are correct. California regs ARE compounding the issue and there ARE other factors at play as well, but the California ports are at least something that we can fix.

                    Improv and Jolly already pointed to the obvious answer. If I was DeSantis, I would be on the news today offering to fix the immediate problem by utilizing Florida ports. Of course, there are MANY problems with actually making that feasible on an operational level, but if they could pull it off they would likely pull some businesses to move their headquarters AND win major political points.

                    The Brad

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                    • MikM Away
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                      Moving the port of entry might unload the ships but I'm not sure it would get the goods to the market much faster. It would also add huge costs to the shipping companies who I'd imagine cut a pretty fine margin to be competitive. It doesn't solve the problem if a lack of chassis to move the containers.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        @jon-nyc said in The real reason the ports are backed up:

                        Yeah I’m so committed to SB5 and unionization. I would be devastated if unionized trucking caused supply chain issues.

                        I actually had to fire someone because of SB5, instead of keep her on as a contractor.

                        I keep forgetting that when talking to a democrat I need to talk slow...

                        I never said the things I mentioned CAUSED the problem. Here's how things work, Jon - step 1: a problem arises. Step 2: solve the problem. Can you see how those two things are separate? A lot of things were involved in CAUSING the problem, Jon. I wasn't addressing the CAUSE of the problem. I was addressing the SOLUTION.

                        The SOLUTION Jon, is to get trucks in there offloading these containers and delivering them to where they go. Belgium doesn't have SHIT to do with our SOLUTION, Jon. What does however, are things that are blocking those trucks from getting in there to load up and then deliver all those containers.

                        Once you move from the CAUSE of one problem to the SOLUTION to that problem, anything that hinders the SOLUTION is now a newly created problem. That newly created problem is the decision - made AFTER the onset of covid - by dumbassed democrats Socialists to force out independent contractors so that only union drivers could work, regulate 80% of the available trucks off the road, etc. So no, "unionized trucking didn't cause the problem". That's not even what I said. Fucking democrat politicians sucking union dicks to get votes instead of showing leadership and then blaming the trucking industry for their fuck up, and then having a fucking moron of a president use it as an excuse to have the government take over the transportation industry...... and then having yellow dog democrats run interference for it all like you're doing.... is causing the problem now.

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          I completely missed Biden’s remarks today. Did he really implicate commercial transport and promote nationalizing the industry?

                          At any rate, both Jon and Larry are correct. California regs ARE compounding the issue and there ARE other factors at play as well, but the California ports are at least something that we can fix.

                          Improv and Jolly already pointed to the obvious answer. If I was DeSantis, I would be on the news today offering to fix the immediate problem by utilizing Florida ports. Of course, there are MANY problems with actually making that feasible on an operational level, but if they could pull it off they would likely pull some businesses to move their headquarters AND win major political points.

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                          @lufins-dad said in The real reason the ports are backed up:

                          I completely missed Biden’s remarks today. Did he really implicate commercial transport and promote nationalizing the industry?

                          Yes. He did.

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                          • MikM Mik

                            Moving the port of entry might unload the ships but I'm not sure it would get the goods to the market much faster. It would also add huge costs to the shipping companies who I'd imagine cut a pretty fine margin to be competitive. It doesn't solve the problem if a lack of chassis to move the containers.

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                            @mik said in The real reason the ports are backed up:

                            ... a lack of chassis to move the containers

                            I'm not sure the "lack of" chassis's is the problem. I'd wager there are just as many now as there was a year ago. The issue is a lack of drivers to drive them. Union rules, California reg's, and any number of other impediments have added to the problem, as Larry has pointed out.

                            One of the bottleneck reg's that I've heard is drivers saying they can't come to pick up a container unless they are bringing in an empty container, which many of them say is not always possible to do. Those containers may still be full waiting for warehouse personnel to unload them. And that may be due to warehouse personnel sitting at home collecting enhanced unemployment benefits until recently.

                            We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                            Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                              How long does it take to train a truck driver? It ain't like you're split-shifting gears on an old Mack Triplex anymore. (I leaned on an old Fuller 13 with the selector switch) A lot of trucks today have automatics.

                              Other than passing a CDL (which is a huge hurdle for some people), you ought to be able to turn out a rookie in just a few weeks. Pair the newbie up with an experienced driver and hit the road.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                I heard earlier this week, it takes about 6 weeks to train a CDL truck driver.

                                The real issue is it's taking up to 4 months to get an appointment at the DMV to take the test.

                                We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                                Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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