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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    Funny how unionized truckers in California cause supply chain issues in Belgium.

    Maybe Mik’s link that it’s complex and multi-causal but mostly traceable back to a global pandemic is a more accurate, if less satisfying, explanation than “because the other tribe is bad.”

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • ImprovisoI Offline
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      Over 60 ships waiting to unload at Long Beach with the average unload time of 3 to 4 days. That's a 6 to 9 month backlog to unload what's already waiting offshore.

      They could certainty greatly reduce that time by re-routing those ships thru the Panama Canal to the port of Miami. Miami has the capacity to handle the additional traffic and doesn't have the bullshit reg's that California has.

      We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
      Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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      • ImprovisoI Improviso

        Over 60 ships waiting to unload at Long Beach with the average unload time of 3 to 4 days. That's a 6 to 9 month backlog to unload what's already waiting offshore.

        They could certainty greatly reduce that time by re-routing those ships thru the Panama Canal to the port of Miami. Miami has the capacity to handle the additional traffic and doesn't have the bullshit reg's that California has.

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        @improviso

        https://flaports.org/floridas-answer-to-the-global-supply-chain-crisis-save-time-money-by-calling-on-florida-seaports/

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • LarryL Offline
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          @jon-nyc said in The real reason the ports are backed up:

          Funny how unionized truckers in California cause supply chain issues in Belgium.

          Maybe Mik’s link that it’s complex and multi-causal but mostly traceable back to a global pandemic is a more accurate, if less satisfying, explanation than “because the other tribe is bad.”

          I don't give a damn about why Belgium is having supply chain issues. For all we know their issues are a chain reaction to our issues. All I know is the information I gave you is factual. If that upsets your politics, tough.

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            Yeah I’m so committed to SB5 and unionization. I would be devastated if unionized trucking caused supply chain issues.

            I actually had to fire someone because of SB5, instead of keep her on as a contractor.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              From the news last night...

              https://www.fox8live.com/2021/10/13/shipping-backups-port-nola-not-bad-us-coasts/?outputType=apps

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                My initial reaction was to blame Brexit.

                I was only joking

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  I completely missed Biden’s remarks today. Did he really implicate commercial transport and promote nationalizing the industry?

                  At any rate, both Jon and Larry are correct. California regs ARE compounding the issue and there ARE other factors at play as well, but the California ports are at least something that we can fix.

                  Improv and Jolly already pointed to the obvious answer. If I was DeSantis, I would be on the news today offering to fix the immediate problem by utilizing Florida ports. Of course, there are MANY problems with actually making that feasible on an operational level, but if they could pull it off they would likely pull some businesses to move their headquarters AND win major political points.

                  The Brad

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Moving the port of entry might unload the ships but I'm not sure it would get the goods to the market much faster. It would also add huge costs to the shipping companies who I'd imagine cut a pretty fine margin to be competitive. It doesn't solve the problem if a lack of chassis to move the containers.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      @jon-nyc said in The real reason the ports are backed up:

                      Yeah I’m so committed to SB5 and unionization. I would be devastated if unionized trucking caused supply chain issues.

                      I actually had to fire someone because of SB5, instead of keep her on as a contractor.

                      I keep forgetting that when talking to a democrat I need to talk slow...

                      I never said the things I mentioned CAUSED the problem. Here's how things work, Jon - step 1: a problem arises. Step 2: solve the problem. Can you see how those two things are separate? A lot of things were involved in CAUSING the problem, Jon. I wasn't addressing the CAUSE of the problem. I was addressing the SOLUTION.

                      The SOLUTION Jon, is to get trucks in there offloading these containers and delivering them to where they go. Belgium doesn't have SHIT to do with our SOLUTION, Jon. What does however, are things that are blocking those trucks from getting in there to load up and then deliver all those containers.

                      Once you move from the CAUSE of one problem to the SOLUTION to that problem, anything that hinders the SOLUTION is now a newly created problem. That newly created problem is the decision - made AFTER the onset of covid - by dumbassed democrats Socialists to force out independent contractors so that only union drivers could work, regulate 80% of the available trucks off the road, etc. So no, "unionized trucking didn't cause the problem". That's not even what I said. Fucking democrat politicians sucking union dicks to get votes instead of showing leadership and then blaming the trucking industry for their fuck up, and then having a fucking moron of a president use it as an excuse to have the government take over the transportation industry...... and then having yellow dog democrats run interference for it all like you're doing.... is causing the problem now.

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        I completely missed Biden’s remarks today. Did he really implicate commercial transport and promote nationalizing the industry?

                        At any rate, both Jon and Larry are correct. California regs ARE compounding the issue and there ARE other factors at play as well, but the California ports are at least something that we can fix.

                        Improv and Jolly already pointed to the obvious answer. If I was DeSantis, I would be on the news today offering to fix the immediate problem by utilizing Florida ports. Of course, there are MANY problems with actually making that feasible on an operational level, but if they could pull it off they would likely pull some businesses to move their headquarters AND win major political points.

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                        @lufins-dad said in The real reason the ports are backed up:

                        I completely missed Biden’s remarks today. Did he really implicate commercial transport and promote nationalizing the industry?

                        Yes. He did.

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                        • MikM Mik

                          Moving the port of entry might unload the ships but I'm not sure it would get the goods to the market much faster. It would also add huge costs to the shipping companies who I'd imagine cut a pretty fine margin to be competitive. It doesn't solve the problem if a lack of chassis to move the containers.

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                          @mik said in The real reason the ports are backed up:

                          ... a lack of chassis to move the containers

                          I'm not sure the "lack of" chassis's is the problem. I'd wager there are just as many now as there was a year ago. The issue is a lack of drivers to drive them. Union rules, California reg's, and any number of other impediments have added to the problem, as Larry has pointed out.

                          One of the bottleneck reg's that I've heard is drivers saying they can't come to pick up a container unless they are bringing in an empty container, which many of them say is not always possible to do. Those containers may still be full waiting for warehouse personnel to unload them. And that may be due to warehouse personnel sitting at home collecting enhanced unemployment benefits until recently.

                          We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                          Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                            How long does it take to train a truck driver? It ain't like you're split-shifting gears on an old Mack Triplex anymore. (I leaned on an old Fuller 13 with the selector switch) A lot of trucks today have automatics.

                            Other than passing a CDL (which is a huge hurdle for some people), you ought to be able to turn out a rookie in just a few weeks. Pair the newbie up with an experienced driver and hit the road.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              I heard earlier this week, it takes about 6 weeks to train a CDL truck driver.

                              The real issue is it's taking up to 4 months to get an appointment at the DMV to take the test.

                              We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                              Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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