Sub accident
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I do wonder if submarine navigation has moved beyond sonar by now. LiDAR has improved a lot. Maybe other mid- and long-range sensor technologies too, higher up in the frequency spectrum.
The stars!
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2021/october/navigate-stars-beneath-waves
Actually maybe navigation is the wrong word, because I’m sure the issue is not where they are on a map but rather is there anything in the way up ahead like maybe an unchartered sea mount or another sub or a even a kraken, which from what i gather had been released a ways back, whereabouts unknown.
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Why should ship accidents be considered classified? These things will be public knowledge anyway. There will be plenty of witnesses to an early return to a base and casualty evacuation. Better to have the navy release it than have their credibility sunk. (Pun intended)
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It's a nuclear sub, operating close to China.
Damage can be explained multiple ways, locations can be changed, even deaths can be written off as training accidents.
The Navy doesn't have to disclose this stuff.
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It's a nuclear sub, operating close to China.
Damage can be explained multiple ways, locations can be changed, even deaths can be written off as training accidents.
The Navy doesn't have to disclose this stuff.
@jolly said in Sub accident:
The Navy doesn't have to disclose this stuff.
Unless there is a very good national security reason to not disclose something truthfully, the government (that includes the military) should truthfully disclose everything to the people. If you like to have a government that is accountable to the people, then that should be your expectation.
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@jolly said in Sub accident:
The Navy doesn't have to disclose this stuff.
Unless there is a very good national security reason to not disclose something truthfully, the government (that includes the military) should truthfully disclose everything to the people. If you like to have a government that is accountable to the people, then that should be your expectation.
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@jolly said in Sub accident:
The Navy doesn't have to disclose this stuff.
Unless there is a very good national security reason to not disclose something truthfully, the government (that includes the military) should truthfully disclose everything to the people. If you like to have a government that is accountable to the people, then that should be your expectation.
@axtremus said in Sub accident:
@jolly said in Sub accident:
The Navy doesn't have to disclose this stuff.
Unless there is a very good national security reason to not disclose something truthfully, the government (that includes the military) should truthfully disclose everything to the people. If you like to have a government that is accountable to the people, then that should be your expectation.
Dream on.
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@jolly said in Sub accident:
The Navy doesn't have to disclose this stuff.
Unless there is a very good national security reason to not disclose something truthfully, the government (that includes the military) should truthfully disclose everything to the people. If you like to have a government that is accountable to the people, then that should be your expectation.
@axtremus said in Sub accident:
@jolly said in Sub accident:
The Navy doesn't have to disclose this stuff.
Unless there is a very good national security reason to not disclose something truthfully, the government (that includes the military) should truthfully disclose everything to the people. If you like to have a government that is accountable to the people, then that should be your expectation.
The last 2 years have shown me how unready “the people” are to act with sense when it comes to facts. So I’m sorry, but no… the military has good reason to keep certain things (intelligence, tradecraft, etc) from the public domain, oddly enough for the benefit of the public domain.
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Of course the military has national security secrets.
The only question is what’s considered a secret. I think this kind of accident can’t be kept under wraps and is not particularly secret.
The Chinese dont need CNN to tell them the USN operates regularly in the South China Sea. Their intelligence service would be remiss if not only did they not know what happened, but what the name and favorite color of the commanding officer was. And whether he was a Red Sox fan.
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ooops uncharted undersea mountain
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/01/politics/navy-submarine-underwater-mountain/index.html
you would think that today we have this world mapped.
still mysterious regions of earth
there be dragons
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ooops uncharted undersea mountain
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/01/politics/navy-submarine-underwater-mountain/index.html
you would think that today we have this world mapped.
still mysterious regions of earth
there be dragons
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SSN-22 out of service for years
Despite a virtual news blackout, information on America’s damaged Seawolf Class attack submarine, USS Connecticut (SSN-22), is starting to leak out. While details are scarce, the Pacific Fleet’s latest operational debacle has left the U.S. without a key undersea combatant. At a minimum, the USS Connecticut will be out of service for years, and there is a creeping realization that the damage may be significant enough to force the USS Connecticut into a premature retirement.
With the Command Investigation nearing completion, the Navy’s continued silence is doing more harm than good. China is gleefully hammering away at America’s sullen silence. And every day spent keeping the USS Connecticut under wraps is one less day for America to debate and prepare a viable path forward. Geopolitics aside, the United States needs to know just how the USS Connecticut’s accident is likely to stress America’s undersea industrial base. And if this mishap is a self-inflicted wound, stemming from longstanding but long-unfixed problems within the Navy, then real changes must be made.
The commander, executive officer and senior enlisted sailor for attack submarine USS Connecticut (SSN-22) have been fired following the results of an investigation into the Oct. 2 underwater collision in the South China Sea, the Navy announced on Thursday.
Connecticut commanding officer Cmdr. Cameron Aljilani, executive officer Lt. Cmdr. Patrick Cashin and Chief of the Boat Cory Rodgers were removed from their positions at the direction of U.S. 7th Fleet commander Vice Adm. Karl Thomas.
The reliefs are “due to loss of confidence. Thomas determined sound judgement, prudent decision-making, and adherence to required procedures in navigation planning, watch team execution and risk management could have prevented the incident,” reads a statement from the Navy.
“Capt. John Witte will assume duties as interim Commanding Officer. Cmdr. Joe Sammur will assume duties as interim Executive Officer. Command Master Chief Paul Walters will assume duties as interim Chief of the Boat.” -
SSN-22 out of service for years
Despite a virtual news blackout, information on America’s damaged Seawolf Class attack submarine, USS Connecticut (SSN-22), is starting to leak out. While details are scarce, the Pacific Fleet’s latest operational debacle has left the U.S. without a key undersea combatant. At a minimum, the USS Connecticut will be out of service for years, and there is a creeping realization that the damage may be significant enough to force the USS Connecticut into a premature retirement.
With the Command Investigation nearing completion, the Navy’s continued silence is doing more harm than good. China is gleefully hammering away at America’s sullen silence. And every day spent keeping the USS Connecticut under wraps is one less day for America to debate and prepare a viable path forward. Geopolitics aside, the United States needs to know just how the USS Connecticut’s accident is likely to stress America’s undersea industrial base. And if this mishap is a self-inflicted wound, stemming from longstanding but long-unfixed problems within the Navy, then real changes must be made.
The commander, executive officer and senior enlisted sailor for attack submarine USS Connecticut (SSN-22) have been fired following the results of an investigation into the Oct. 2 underwater collision in the South China Sea, the Navy announced on Thursday.
Connecticut commanding officer Cmdr. Cameron Aljilani, executive officer Lt. Cmdr. Patrick Cashin and Chief of the Boat Cory Rodgers were removed from their positions at the direction of U.S. 7th Fleet commander Vice Adm. Karl Thomas.
The reliefs are “due to loss of confidence. Thomas determined sound judgement, prudent decision-making, and adherence to required procedures in navigation planning, watch team execution and risk management could have prevented the incident,” reads a statement from the Navy.
“Capt. John Witte will assume duties as interim Commanding Officer. Cmdr. Joe Sammur will assume duties as interim Executive Officer. Command Master Chief Paul Walters will assume duties as interim Chief of the Boat.”@george-k Makes sense. You are in charge of a many billion dollar vehicle. You ruin it, you cannot expect to continue to be the driver.
