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Pay it off or invest?

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    Personally, I'd get rid of the debt.

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    @jolly said in Pay it off or invest?:

    Personally, I'd get rid of the debt.

    That's what I told her.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      I know that’s supposed to be the answer but compounded interest? At her age? I would put at least half into the IRA.

      The Brad

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      • MikM Offline
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        Is there interest on the medical debt?

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          Pay off debt.

          Elbows up!

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            I'd get rid of the debt, too, and then maybe invest the money she's currently using to pay off the debt each month. That way, she doesn't feel any difference, but she's investing rather than paying off.

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              I'd get rid of the debt, too, and then maybe invest the money she's currently using to pay off the debt each month. That way, she doesn't feel any difference, but she's investing rather than paying off.

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              • George KG Offline
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                She's also getting about a 10% increase in salary, so that's another good thing.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  She's also getting about a 10% increase in salary, so that's another good thing.

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                  @george-k said in Pay it off or invest?:

                  She's also getting about a 10% increase in salary, so that's another good thing.

                  Cha-ching! Nice going.

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                    It’s easy to justify investing if the return is higher than the loan interest. But people fine debt stressful so it becomes a quality of life issue. Minimizing stress doesn’t always maximize expected money.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • George KG George K

                      She's also getting about a 10% increase in salary, so that's another good thing.

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                      @george-k said in Pay it off or invest?:

                      She's also getting about a 10% increase in salary, so that's another good thing.

                      Is she able to pay her bills on what she is currently making? If so, use all or part of the raise for investing/savings. If she doesn't have three months take home salary in a readily accessible account, save. If she has it saved, invest.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        We owe money for our house, but the interest rate is so low that I rather invest surplus money on the stock market.

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          Pay off debt.

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                          @renauda said in Pay it off or invest?:

                          Pay off debt.

                          +1, assuming the interest rate is greater than zero.

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                          • KlausK Klaus

                            We owe money for our house, but the interest rate is so low that I rather invest surplus money on the stock market.

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                            @klaus said in Pay it off or invest?:

                            We owe money for our house, but the interest rate is so low that I rather invest surplus money on the stock market.

                            Same here. We're at 2.75%, so we could pay more off but are deciding only to add a little to each mortgage payment.

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              It’s easy to justify investing if the return is higher than the loan interest. But people fine debt stressful so it becomes a quality of life issue. Minimizing stress doesn’t always maximize expected money.

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                              @horace said in Pay it off or invest?:

                              It’s easy to justify investing if the return is higher than the loan interest. But people fine debt stressful so it becomes a quality of life issue. Minimizing stress doesn’t always maximize expected money.

                              Agreed, aside from our mortgage (mentioned above) we avoid any other debt lasting longer than 30 days (e.g., pay of credit card each month). Something about not having the debt, like you said, that is good....even if it's not a perfect financial move.

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                              • 89th8 89th

                                @klaus said in Pay it off or invest?:

                                We owe money for our house, but the interest rate is so low that I rather invest surplus money on the stock market.

                                Same here. We're at 2.75%, so we could pay more off but are deciding only to add a little to each mortgage payment.

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                                @89th said in Pay it off or invest?:

                                @klaus said in Pay it off or invest?:

                                We owe money for our house, but the interest rate is so low that I rather invest surplus money on the stock market.

                                Same here. We're at 2.75%, so we could pay more off but are deciding only to add a little to each mortgage payment.

                                We pay 1% interest.

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                                  IRA all of it, tax free growth

                                  Save until it hurts

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                                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                    @renauda said in Pay it off or invest?:

                                    Pay off debt.

                                    +1, assuming the interest rate is greater than zero.

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                                    @axtremus said in Pay it off or invest?:

                                    @renauda said in Pay it off or invest?:

                                    Pay off debt.

                                    +1, assuming the interest rate is greater than zero.

                                    I am not familiar with any consumer debt that accumulates 0% interest over time. On the other hand, can people in the US write off medical expense debt and interest from their personal income taxes? If so, that could possibly make investing the money more attractive in the long run.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      @axtremus said in Pay it off or invest?:

                                      @renauda said in Pay it off or invest?:

                                      Pay off debt.

                                      +1, assuming the interest rate is greater than zero.

                                      I am not familiar with any consumer debt that accumulates 0% interest over time. On the other hand, can people in the US write off medical expense debt and interest from their personal income taxes? If so, that could possibly make investing the money more attractive in the long run.

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                                      @renauda said in Pay it off or invest?:

                                      can people in the US write off medical expense debt and interest from their personal income taxes?

                                      Only if it exceeds 7.5% of the adjusted gross income. And then, only the portion above that threshold is deductible.
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                                      For tax returns filed in 2021, taxpayers can deduct qualified, unreimbursed medical expenses that are more than 7.5% of their 2020 adjusted gross income. So if your adjusted gross income is $40,000, anything beyond the first $3,000 of medical bills — or 7.5% of your AGI — could be deductible.

                                      That means if you had $10,000 in medical bills, $7,000 of them could be deductible.

                                      The 7.5% threshold used to be 10%, but legislative changes at the end of 2019 lowered it.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Like many people, I have absolutely no problem using money, but I have no idea how it actually works.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @renauda said in Pay it off or invest?:

                                          can people in the US write off medical expense debt and interest from their personal income taxes?

                                          Only if it exceeds 7.5% of the adjusted gross income. And then, only the portion above that threshold is deductible.
                                          =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

                                          For tax returns filed in 2021, taxpayers can deduct qualified, unreimbursed medical expenses that are more than 7.5% of their 2020 adjusted gross income. So if your adjusted gross income is $40,000, anything beyond the first $3,000 of medical bills — or 7.5% of your AGI — could be deductible.

                                          That means if you had $10,000 in medical bills, $7,000 of them could be deductible.

                                          The 7.5% threshold used to be 10%, but legislative changes at the end of 2019 lowered it.

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                                          @george-k said in Pay it off or invest?:

                                          @renauda said in Pay it off or invest?:

                                          can people in the US write off medical expense debt and interest from their personal income taxes?

                                          Only if it exceeds 7.5% of the adjusted gross income. And then, only the portion above that threshold is deductible.
                                          =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

                                          For tax returns filed in 2021, taxpayers can deduct qualified, unreimbursed medical expenses that are more than 7.5% of their 2020 adjusted gross income. So if your adjusted gross income is $40,000, anything beyond the first $3,000 of medical bills — or 7.5% of your AGI — could be deductible.

                                          That means if you had $10,000 in medical bills, $7,000 of them could be deductible.

                                          The 7.5% threshold used to be 10%, but legislative changes at the end of 2019 lowered it.

                                          Thanks George. Ours is essentially either 3% of your net income as reported on your tax return, or $2,397 in 2020 ($2,421 in 2021), whichever is lower. But it does vary from province to province and there are other health related expenses which could be deducted under other categories. Needlessly complicated. Like most people I have only tried to use it for after insurance out of pocket charges for prescription drugs, dental work and eye exams and glasses. I doubt whether it much of any difference at the end of the day.

                                          https://www.corkumfinancial.ca/medical-expenses-what-can-you-claim/

                                          Elbows up!

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