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  • JollyJ Jolly

    @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

    @jolly

    Which reminds me.

    Remember this little gem you posted?

    https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/8472/wouldn-t-it-be-easier-just-burn-it-down?_=1632673543580

    Anyhow, I received an email just last week from a close friend who grew up in Edmonton and moved to Ottawa in the 1980's for work. He is now retired and still lives there. Last December he told me that he had just lost a close friend from his childhood who still lived in Edmonton from a sudden heart attack. At the time, he was lamenting the fact he could not hop on a plane and travel here for the funeral. In any case, he and his wife did manage to visit this summer during which time he sat down with his deceased friend's family. I'll quote what he wrote to me in his email:

    During my Alberta trip I learned the autopsy results of my closest friend who died suddenly and unexpectedly last Dec. COVID was the cause. One of his workmates attended a fundamentalist church where the pastor railed against COVID restrictions. The workmate developed symptoms but went to work anyway, infecting 12 others, including my friend who died because of it.

    I'll give you three guesses as to what goddamned church the deceased's co-worker attended? First two guesses don't count.

    I don't care what goddamned church it is. People have a right to association and at least in America, the right to practice their religion. I'm sorry if that offends you (actually, I don't give a shit if you're offended or not), but people have died from attending services down here, too.

    But if your faith is strong enough to compel you to attend, I ain't standing in the way.

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    @jolly

    The same symptomatic congregant infected 12 other individuals. I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter. The health rules were pretty clear at the time; if you show any symptoms, do not go to work, stay home, isolate and notify the health authorities by telephone regarding testing.

    Elbows up!

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    • RenaudaR Renauda

      @jolly

      The same symptomatic congregant infected 12 other individuals. I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter. The health rules were pretty clear at the time; if you show any symptoms, do not go to work, stay home, isolate and notify the health authorities by telephone regarding testing.

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      @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

      I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter

      You want to impose your own personal sense of safety on others by force. Shocking.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        @jolly

        The same symptomatic congregant infected 12 other individuals. I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter. The health rules were pretty clear at the time; if you show any symptoms, do not go to work, stay home, isolate and notify the health authorities by telephone regarding testing.

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        @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

        The same symptomatic congregant infected 12 other individuals.

        That's the opinion of the people who hate the congregation.

        We will, of course, never know who infected whom.

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          Renauda
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          #14

          You know Copper, you're probably right. Still I would also add that opinion to the paid nursing staff who were tracing active cases at the time.

          But then what do paid professional health care workers know about infectious diseases, eh?

          Elbows up!

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          • HoraceH Horace

            @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

            I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter

            You want to impose your own personal sense of safety on others by force. Shocking.

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            Renauda
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            #15

            @horace said in Crib Sheet.:

            @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

            I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter

            You want to impose your own personal sense of safety on others by force. Shocking.

            Well I think that deeming the congregant a Dangerous Offender is a bit over the top. Now that would be shocking. Endangerment and involuntary manslaughter by themselves seem quite reasonable despite the likelihood that he or she will offend again.

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              You know Copper, you're probably right. Still I would also add that opinion to the paid nursing staff who were tracing active cases at the time.

              But then what do paid professional health care workers know about infectious diseases, eh?

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              @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

              But then what do paid professional health care workers know about infectious diseases, eh?

              Some of them know quite a bit.

              None of them know who infected whom.

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @horace said in Crib Sheet.:

                @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

                I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter

                You want to impose your own personal sense of safety on others by force. Shocking.

                Well I think that deeming the congregant a Dangerous Offender is a bit over the top. Now that would be shocking. Endangerment and involuntary manslaughter by themselves seem quite reasonable despite the likelihood that he or she will offend again.

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                @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

                @horace said in Crib Sheet.:

                @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

                I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter

                You want to impose your own personal sense of safety on others by force. Shocking.

                Well I think that deeming the congregant a Dangerous Offender is a bit over the top. Now that would be shocking. Endangerment and involuntary manslaughter by themselves seem quite reasonable despite the likelihood that he or she will offend again.

                What should be the punishments, meted out by force, of endangerment and involuntary manslaughter? Please attempt to define and categorize both, with like crimes of similar social danger.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  You know Copper, you're probably right. Still I would also add that opinion to the paid nursing staff who were tracing active cases at the time.

                  But then what do paid professional health care workers know about infectious diseases, eh?

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                  @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

                  You know Copper, you're probably right. Still I would also add that opinion to the paid nursing staff who were tracing active cases at the time.

                  But then what do paid professional health care workers know about infectious diseases, eh?

                  I am a professional healthcare worker, and I stand by my original statement.

                  Should a congregant exhibit some judicious behavior about who he is in proximity of? Yep, I'll give you that one.

                  If I was somebody who knew the congregant had been attending services, I would take that in consideration, as to whether I went around him/her or not.

                  But I would not enact draconion measures for a virus that you cannot and will not keep bottled up.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • HoraceH Horace

                    @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

                    @horace said in Crib Sheet.:

                    @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

                    I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter

                    You want to impose your own personal sense of safety on others by force. Shocking.

                    Well I think that deeming the congregant a Dangerous Offender is a bit over the top. Now that would be shocking. Endangerment and involuntary manslaughter by themselves seem quite reasonable despite the likelihood that he or she will offend again.

                    What should be the punishments, meted out by force, of endangerment and involuntary manslaughter? Please attempt to define and categorize both, with like crimes of similar social danger.

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                    Renauda
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                    @horace said in Crib Sheet.:

                    What should be the punishments, meted out by force, of endangerment and involuntary manslaughter?

                    Listening to your endless stream of faux intellectualizing about leftist pop culture and how it influences the left vs right struggle in present day America.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @renauda said in Crib Sheet.:

                      You know Copper, you're probably right. Still I would also add that opinion to the paid nursing staff who were tracing active cases at the time.

                      But then what do paid professional health care workers know about infectious diseases, eh?

                      I am a professional healthcare worker, and I stand by my original statement.

                      Should a congregant exhibit some judicious behavior about who he is in proximity of? Yep, I'll give you that one.

                      If I was somebody who knew the congregant had been attending services, I would take that in consideration, as to whether I went around him/her or not.

                      But I would not enact draconion measures for a virus that you cannot and will not keep bottled up.

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                      @jolly said in Crib Sheet.:

                      Should a congregant exhibit some judicious behavior about who he is in proximity of? Yep, I'll give you that one.

                      Thank you, I am glad we have found common ground. But I expected as much since I regard you as man of integrity and applaud you as a dedicated health care worker doing your very best under difficult circumstances.

                      Elbows up!

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