Crib Sheet.
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wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 14:48 last edited by
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wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 15:16 last edited by
Enjoy this:
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wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 15:23 last edited by
Sorry, you didn't address the article. Better luck next time.
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wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 16:21 last edited by Renauda
Tl,dr. Although I did get as far as the Albanian study citation. No need to apologize, not at all interested.
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wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 16:40 last edited by
I know you post a lot of stuff, sometimes politically partisan, sometimes maybe for shock value, sometimes interesting for its own sake,
This one….you really buy into those claims? I’m not going to tackle it point by point. I’m too lazy to write out 30 refutations. The thing that I find evil about these types of claims, is that because it’s not flat earth conspiracy nonsense, but rather couched in what appears at first to be reasonable factoids, is that it’s meant purposely to mislead. It’s meant to sow fear and distrust of what many at the fringes like to call the MSM. Like in, “you won’t get this stuff in the MSM, you are being lied to….”
And that I find evil. No other word for me to describe it.
And btw, excess mortality in the USA is over top. You don’t need the graph shown below to highlight the morgues and crematoria working to full capacity.
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wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 16:43 last edited by Renauda
Which reminds me.
Remember this little gem you posted?
Anyhow, I received an email just last week from a close friend who grew up in Edmonton and moved to Ottawa in the 1980's for work. He is now retired and still lives there. Last December he told me that he had just lost a close friend from his childhood who still lived in Edmonton from a sudden heart attack. At the time, he was lamenting the fact he could not hop on a plane and travel here for the funeral. In any case, he and his wife did manage to visit this summer during which time he sat down with his deceased friend's family. I'll quote what he wrote to me in his email:
During my Alberta trip I learned the autopsy results of my closest friend who died suddenly and unexpectedly last Dec. COVID was the cause. One of his workmates attended a fundamentalist church where the pastor railed against COVID restrictions. The workmate developed symptoms but went to work anyway, infecting 12 others, including my friend who died because of it.
I'll give you three guesses as to what goddamned church the deceased's co-worker attended? First two guesses don't count.
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I know you post a lot of stuff, sometimes politically partisan, sometimes maybe for shock value, sometimes interesting for its own sake,
This one….you really buy into those claims? I’m not going to tackle it point by point. I’m too lazy to write out 30 refutations. The thing that I find evil about these types of claims, is that because it’s not flat earth conspiracy nonsense, but rather couched in what appears at first to be reasonable factoids, is that it’s meant purposely to mislead. It’s meant to sow fear and distrust of what many at the fringes like to call the MSM. Like in, “you won’t get this stuff in the MSM, you are being lied to….”
And that I find evil. No other word for me to describe it.
And btw, excess mortality in the USA is over top. You don’t need the graph shown below to highlight the morgues and crematoria working to full capacity.
wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 16:58 last edited by@bachophile said in Crib Sheet.:
I know you post a lot of stuff, sometimes politically partisan, sometimes maybe for shock value, sometimes interesting for its own sake,
This one….you really buy into those claims? I’m not going to tackle it point by point. I’m too lazy to write out 30 refutations. The thing that I find evil about these types of claims, is that because it’s not flat earth conspiracy nonsense, but rather couched in what appears at first to be reasonable factoids, is that it’s meant purposely to mislead. It’s meant to sow fear and distrust of what many at the fringes like to call the MSM. Like in, “you won’t get this stuff in the MSM, you are being lied to….”
And that I find evil. No other word for me to describe it.
And btw, excess mortality in the USA is over top. You don’t need the graph shown below to highlight the morgues and crematoria working to full capacity.
No, I don't agree with a lot of that one, but there are a few interesting tidbits in there, enough for a discussion or two.
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Which reminds me.
Remember this little gem you posted?
Anyhow, I received an email just last week from a close friend who grew up in Edmonton and moved to Ottawa in the 1980's for work. He is now retired and still lives there. Last December he told me that he had just lost a close friend from his childhood who still lived in Edmonton from a sudden heart attack. At the time, he was lamenting the fact he could not hop on a plane and travel here for the funeral. In any case, he and his wife did manage to visit this summer during which time he sat down with his deceased friend's family. I'll quote what he wrote to me in his email:
During my Alberta trip I learned the autopsy results of my closest friend who died suddenly and unexpectedly last Dec. COVID was the cause. One of his workmates attended a fundamentalist church where the pastor railed against COVID restrictions. The workmate developed symptoms but went to work anyway, infecting 12 others, including my friend who died because of it.
I'll give you three guesses as to what goddamned church the deceased's co-worker attended? First two guesses don't count.
wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 17:01 last edited by@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
Which reminds me.
Remember this little gem you posted?
Anyhow, I received an email just last week from a close friend who grew up in Edmonton and moved to Ottawa in the 1980's for work. He is now retired and still lives there. Last December he told me that he had just lost a close friend from his childhood who still lived in Edmonton from a sudden heart attack. At the time, he was lamenting the fact he could not hop on a plane and travel here for the funeral. In any case, he and his wife did manage to visit this summer during which time he sat down with his deceased friend's family. I'll quote what he wrote to me in his email:
During my Alberta trip I learned the autopsy results of my closest friend who died suddenly and unexpectedly last Dec. COVID was the cause. One of his workmates attended a fundamentalist church where the pastor railed against COVID restrictions. The workmate developed symptoms but went to work anyway, infecting 12 others, including my friend who died because of it.
I'll give you three guesses as to what goddamned church the deceased's co-worker attended? First two guesses don't count.
I don't care what goddamned church it is. People have a right to association and at least in America, the right to practice their religion. I'm sorry if that offends you (actually, I don't give a shit if you're offended or not), but people have died from attending services down here, too.
But if your faith is strong enough to compel you to attend, I ain't standing in the way.
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@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
Which reminds me.
Remember this little gem you posted?
Anyhow, I received an email just last week from a close friend who grew up in Edmonton and moved to Ottawa in the 1980's for work. He is now retired and still lives there. Last December he told me that he had just lost a close friend from his childhood who still lived in Edmonton from a sudden heart attack. At the time, he was lamenting the fact he could not hop on a plane and travel here for the funeral. In any case, he and his wife did manage to visit this summer during which time he sat down with his deceased friend's family. I'll quote what he wrote to me in his email:
During my Alberta trip I learned the autopsy results of my closest friend who died suddenly and unexpectedly last Dec. COVID was the cause. One of his workmates attended a fundamentalist church where the pastor railed against COVID restrictions. The workmate developed symptoms but went to work anyway, infecting 12 others, including my friend who died because of it.
I'll give you three guesses as to what goddamned church the deceased's co-worker attended? First two guesses don't count.
I don't care what goddamned church it is. People have a right to association and at least in America, the right to practice their religion. I'm sorry if that offends you (actually, I don't give a shit if you're offended or not), but people have died from attending services down here, too.
But if your faith is strong enough to compel you to attend, I ain't standing in the way.
wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 17:31 last edited by RenaudaWell pretty much every other goddamned church, synagogue, mosque and temple in this province complied with the law restricting in person attendance and masking requirements except GraceLife church. Besides I don't think you read or understood what I wrote. The deceased person didn't die from attending the church whose pastor openly defied the law and preached that COVID was a hoax,, he died because he worked alongside one of its congregants, who was symptomatic with COVID at work.
I have to question your interpretation of the right to association and freedom to practice religion if it also includes putting at risk other people to infectious disease. If that is your idea of liberty, I want no part of it.
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Well pretty much every other goddamned church, synagogue, mosque and temple in this province complied with the law restricting in person attendance and masking requirements except GraceLife church. Besides I don't think you read or understood what I wrote. The deceased person didn't die from attending the church whose pastor openly defied the law and preached that COVID was a hoax,, he died because he worked alongside one of its congregants, who was symptomatic with COVID at work.
I have to question your interpretation of the right to association and freedom to practice religion if it also includes putting at risk other people to infectious disease. If that is your idea of liberty, I want no part of it.
wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 17:33 last edited by@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
Well pretty much every other goddamned church, synagogue, mosque and temple in this province complied with the law restricting in person attendance and masking requirements except GraceLife church. Besides I don't think you read or understood what I wrote. The deceased person didn't die from attending he died because he worked alongside one of the congregants who regularly attended the church whose pastor openly defied the law. The same congregant infected 12 other individuals.
I have to question your interpretation of the right to association and freedom to practice religion if it also includes putting at risk other people to infectious disease. If that is your idea of liberty, I want no part of it.
You want no part of a subtle social principle of freedom if you feel it increases your personal risk of harm. Shocking.
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@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
Which reminds me.
Remember this little gem you posted?
Anyhow, I received an email just last week from a close friend who grew up in Edmonton and moved to Ottawa in the 1980's for work. He is now retired and still lives there. Last December he told me that he had just lost a close friend from his childhood who still lived in Edmonton from a sudden heart attack. At the time, he was lamenting the fact he could not hop on a plane and travel here for the funeral. In any case, he and his wife did manage to visit this summer during which time he sat down with his deceased friend's family. I'll quote what he wrote to me in his email:
During my Alberta trip I learned the autopsy results of my closest friend who died suddenly and unexpectedly last Dec. COVID was the cause. One of his workmates attended a fundamentalist church where the pastor railed against COVID restrictions. The workmate developed symptoms but went to work anyway, infecting 12 others, including my friend who died because of it.
I'll give you three guesses as to what goddamned church the deceased's co-worker attended? First two guesses don't count.
I don't care what goddamned church it is. People have a right to association and at least in America, the right to practice their religion. I'm sorry if that offends you (actually, I don't give a shit if you're offended or not), but people have died from attending services down here, too.
But if your faith is strong enough to compel you to attend, I ain't standing in the way.
wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 17:40 last edited byThe same symptomatic congregant infected 12 other individuals. I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter. The health rules were pretty clear at the time; if you show any symptoms, do not go to work, stay home, isolate and notify the health authorities by telephone regarding testing.
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The same symptomatic congregant infected 12 other individuals. I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter. The health rules were pretty clear at the time; if you show any symptoms, do not go to work, stay home, isolate and notify the health authorities by telephone regarding testing.
wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 17:52 last edited by@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter
You want to impose your own personal sense of safety on others by force. Shocking.
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The same symptomatic congregant infected 12 other individuals. I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter. The health rules were pretty clear at the time; if you show any symptoms, do not go to work, stay home, isolate and notify the health authorities by telephone regarding testing.
wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 17:55 last edited by@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
The same symptomatic congregant infected 12 other individuals.
That's the opinion of the people who hate the congregation.
We will, of course, never know who infected whom.
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wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 18:19 last edited by Renauda
You know Copper, you're probably right. Still I would also add that opinion to the paid nursing staff who were tracing active cases at the time.
But then what do paid professional health care workers know about infectious diseases, eh?
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@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter
You want to impose your own personal sense of safety on others by force. Shocking.
wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 18:29 last edited by Renauda@horace said in Crib Sheet.:
@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter
You want to impose your own personal sense of safety on others by force. Shocking.
Well I think that deeming the congregant a Dangerous Offender is a bit over the top. Now that would be shocking. Endangerment and involuntary manslaughter by themselves seem quite reasonable despite the likelihood that he or she will offend again.
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You know Copper, you're probably right. Still I would also add that opinion to the paid nursing staff who were tracing active cases at the time.
But then what do paid professional health care workers know about infectious diseases, eh?
wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 19:12 last edited by@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
But then what do paid professional health care workers know about infectious diseases, eh?
Some of them know quite a bit.
None of them know who infected whom.
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@horace said in Crib Sheet.:
@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter
You want to impose your own personal sense of safety on others by force. Shocking.
Well I think that deeming the congregant a Dangerous Offender is a bit over the top. Now that would be shocking. Endangerment and involuntary manslaughter by themselves seem quite reasonable despite the likelihood that he or she will offend again.
wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 19:21 last edited by@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
@horace said in Crib Sheet.:
@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter
You want to impose your own personal sense of safety on others by force. Shocking.
Well I think that deeming the congregant a Dangerous Offender is a bit over the top. Now that would be shocking. Endangerment and involuntary manslaughter by themselves seem quite reasonable despite the likelihood that he or she will offend again.
What should be the punishments, meted out by force, of endangerment and involuntary manslaughter? Please attempt to define and categorize both, with like crimes of similar social danger.
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You know Copper, you're probably right. Still I would also add that opinion to the paid nursing staff who were tracing active cases at the time.
But then what do paid professional health care workers know about infectious diseases, eh?
wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 19:25 last edited by@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
You know Copper, you're probably right. Still I would also add that opinion to the paid nursing staff who were tracing active cases at the time.
But then what do paid professional health care workers know about infectious diseases, eh?
I am a professional healthcare worker, and I stand by my original statement.
Should a congregant exhibit some judicious behavior about who he is in proximity of? Yep, I'll give you that one.
If I was somebody who knew the congregant had been attending services, I would take that in consideration, as to whether I went around him/her or not.
But I would not enact draconion measures for a virus that you cannot and will not keep bottled up.
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@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
@horace said in Crib Sheet.:
@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
I suggest that it is reasonable that the congregant should be charged with endangerment and involuntary manslaughter
You want to impose your own personal sense of safety on others by force. Shocking.
Well I think that deeming the congregant a Dangerous Offender is a bit over the top. Now that would be shocking. Endangerment and involuntary manslaughter by themselves seem quite reasonable despite the likelihood that he or she will offend again.
What should be the punishments, meted out by force, of endangerment and involuntary manslaughter? Please attempt to define and categorize both, with like crimes of similar social danger.
wrote on 26 Sept 2021, 23:53 last edited by Renauda@horace said in Crib Sheet.:
What should be the punishments, meted out by force, of endangerment and involuntary manslaughter?
Listening to your endless stream of faux intellectualizing about leftist pop culture and how it influences the left vs right struggle in present day America.
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@renauda said in Crib Sheet.:
You know Copper, you're probably right. Still I would also add that opinion to the paid nursing staff who were tracing active cases at the time.
But then what do paid professional health care workers know about infectious diseases, eh?
I am a professional healthcare worker, and I stand by my original statement.
Should a congregant exhibit some judicious behavior about who he is in proximity of? Yep, I'll give you that one.
If I was somebody who knew the congregant had been attending services, I would take that in consideration, as to whether I went around him/her or not.
But I would not enact draconion measures for a virus that you cannot and will not keep bottled up.
wrote on 27 Sept 2021, 01:09 last edited by@jolly said in Crib Sheet.:
Should a congregant exhibit some judicious behavior about who he is in proximity of? Yep, I'll give you that one.
Thank you, I am glad we have found common ground. But I expected as much since I regard you as man of integrity and applaud you as a dedicated health care worker doing your very best under difficult circumstances.