What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?

[xenon]

Vaccine hesitancy always seemed like a hippie, granola, organic ingredients type deal.

What is the main logical thrust of the current hesitancy?

I know it’s correlated to politics, but I don’t know what people actually believe.

[Horace]

People not liking to be told what to do, by people they don't like, probably has a lot to do with it. Especially if being told what to do turns out to have some sort of political valence, the very same valence that had been used to beat them about the head for the past 5 years in a quite existential way.

[Jolly]

@xenon said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

Vaccine hesitancy always seemed like a hippie, granola, organic ingredients type deal.

What is the main logical thrust of the current hesitancy?

I know it’s correlated to politics, but I don’t know what people actually believe.

Politics? Explain, please.

[89th]

Some are hesitant about taking a vaccine rushed to market so quickly.

Some are in the no vaccines of any kind camp.

Some are following the political/cultural wave that is anti-government or anti-Biden.

I’d probably say the proportion breaks down 30/20/50.

[Aqua Letifer]

I agree with Horace's assessment, and roughly with 89th's numbers.

My home town has a very bad vaccination record right now. Anyone claiming there's no correlation between having a Trump flag flying from the back of your pickup and your chances of not being vaccinated should be completely ignored as stupid or delusional. And yes I know there are other kinds of anti-vaxx nuts in addition to Trumpist diehards.

[Larry]

@89th said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

Some are hesitant about taking a vaccine rushed to market so quickly.

Some are in the no vaccines of any kind camp.

Some are following the political/cultural wave that is anti-government or anti-Biden.

I’d probably say the proportion breaks down 30/20/50.

Your 3rd statement is tainted by your own political views, unless of course you have a chart showing that Antifa people are hesitant to get vaccinated. Because by and large, the majority who are anti-government are those people. If you're referring to people who are against the current direction our government is taking us as "anti-government", then you simply do not understand the situation. As for being anti-Biden, that has zero connection to getting or not getting vaccinated. Most people who are anti-Biden feel that way because he is hands down the worst, most destructive, treasonous, inept, and unqualified person to ever occupy the presidency. They are motivated by love of country, not anti-vaccine.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

I agree with Horace's assessment, and roughly with 89th's numbers.

My home town has a very bad vaccination record right now. Anyone claiming there's no correlation between having a Trump flag flying from the back of your pickup and your chances of not being vaccinated should be completely ignored as stupid or delusional. And yes I know there are other kinds of anti-vaxx nuts in addition to Trumpist diehards.

And you're an extremely biased young man.

Please note that a large percentage of the unvaxxed are black. They tend not to be Trump voters.

As I understand it, there are a significant percentage of PhD 's that aren't vaccinated. They tend not to be Trump voters.

Go back and lick your calf over again...

[Larry]

@aqua-letifer said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

I agree with Horace's assessment, and roughly with 89th's numbers.

My home town has a very bad vaccination record right now. Anyone claiming there's no correlation between having a Trump flag flying from the back of your pickup and your chances of not being vaccinated should be completely ignored as stupid or delusional. And yes I know there are other kinds of anti-vaxx nuts in addition to Trumpist diehards.

I am a "Trumpist". In fact, the majority of the people in my region are "Trumpists". Some of them even have Trump flags flying from the back of their pickups. Most of them have been vaccinated.

I'm getting very tired of seeing anyone who doesn't fit in with the current leftist belief system (not saying you're a leftist, but you ARE feeding their narrative) as dumb "Trumpists" who drive pickups with Trump flags on them and vote Republican. It's political racism.

[Jolly]

@larry said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

@aqua-letifer said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

I agree with Horace's assessment, and roughly with 89th's numbers.

My home town has a very bad vaccination record right now. Anyone claiming there's no correlation between having a Trump flag flying from the back of your pickup and your chances of not being vaccinated should be completely ignored as stupid or delusional. And yes I know there are other kinds of anti-vaxx nuts in addition to Trumpist diehards.

I am a "Trumpust". In fact, the majority of the people in my region are "Trumpists". Some of them even have Trump flags flying from the back of their pickups. Most of them have been vaccinated.

I'm getting very tired of seeing anyone who doesn't fit in with the current leftist belief system (not saying you're a leftist, but you ARE feeding their narrative) as dumb "Trumpists" who drive pickups with Trump flags on them and vote Republican. It's political racism.

Yeah, but its accepted political racism, so it's okay.

[Horace]

@jolly said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

@larry said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

@aqua-letifer said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

I agree with Horace's assessment, and roughly with 89th's numbers.

My home town has a very bad vaccination record right now. Anyone claiming there's no correlation between having a Trump flag flying from the back of your pickup and your chances of not being vaccinated should be completely ignored as stupid or delusional. And yes I know there are other kinds of anti-vaxx nuts in addition to Trumpist diehards.

I am a "Trumpust". In fact, the majority of the people in my region are "Trumpists". Some of them even have Trump flags flying from the back of their pickups. Most of them have been vaccinated.

I'm getting very tired of seeing anyone who doesn't fit in with the current leftist belief system (not saying you're a leftist, but you ARE feeding their narrative) as dumb "Trumpists" who drive pickups with Trump flags on them and vote Republican. It's political racism.

Yeah, but its accepted political racism, so it's okay.

Accepted? Why, it's downright required in many socio-economic circles.

[Larry]

The narrative is....,

If you are a conservative, if you disagree with leftist ideology, it's because you are uneducated, drive a truck, live in the South, voted for Trump, and are not sophisticated. Which means that if you AGREE with leftist ideology, it means you are educated, sophisticated, and all around superior in every way. .

This causes some people to accept a certain level of leftism in their own personal views, because that way the are in the "cool group". It's much easier than actually standing for something.

[Larry]

Also, i referred to it as "leftist belief system" on purpose. Because leftism and leftist ideology is not just a political viewpoint. It is a full blown religion.

[xenon]

@horace I can buy that. It's interesting that the low lethality of COVID is sort of what enables this.

The urge to tell the other side to fuck-off (irrelevant whether justified or not) > bump in perceived protection people get from the vaccine.

[Jolly]

@xenon said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

@horace I can buy that. It's interesting that the low lethality of COVID is sort of what enables this.

The urge to tell the other side to fuck-off (irrelevant whether justified or not) > bump in perceived protection people get from the vaccine.

I notice you flat ignored the question I posed to you.

[Horace]

@larry said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

Also, i referred to it as "leftist belief system" on purpose. Because leftism and leftist ideology is not just a political viewpoint. It is a full blown religion.

Yes, many smart people are coming around to this understanding. The racism narrative ties it all together. A narrative that is presented very carefully as a religious one, to white people. In a typical religion, God can't be proven. In this new leftist religion, where communion is given by voting Democrat, a white person must accept on faith the "black experience" or to a lesser extent the experience of other 'oppressed' phenotypes. (But who's kidding who, it's really about white vs black.) It's a faith-based narrative, explicitly. White people can't know it, but they must believe it. A black academic of legitimate intellectual ability and integrity named John McWhorter will soon come out with his book on this, but it's been clear for a while, to the culturally aware among us. (I.e. not white progressives, who are the least culturally aware among us.) The ideas in that book would shake the foundations of the white female progressive ideas floating in the silly minds of our leftist culture, but sadly the power of good ideas isn't much against the stupidity and utter lack of awareness of that bunch.

[Aqua Letifer]

@larry said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

The narrative is....,

If you are a conservative, if you disagree with leftist ideology, it's because you are uneducated, drive a truck, live in the South, voted for Trump, and are not sophisticated. Which means that if you AGREE with leftist ideology, it means you are educated, sophisticated, and all around superior in every way. .
This causes some people to accept a certain level of leftism in their own personal views, because that way the are in the "cool group". It's much easier than actually standing for something.

My home county is, I believe, the reddest in Maryland. If they slipped last election (and I don't think they did), they're easily in the top 5 and always have been. Our home town newspaper is The Republican.

They lead the state in lowest vaccination rate. And they're in the top five for highest new cases per 100k, week after week after week. I read those numbers and I see a future of more preventable deaths at the hands of stupid politics. Because by and large, these people aren't doing what your wife is doing and taking advice from their doctors. They're using not getting vaccinated to virtue signal to the world that they're anti-Biden.

Politically these days, I hate and abhor politics itself. There's never been a better time to ignore our politicians and focus on everything else.

As for liberal sophistication and intelligence, it's the liberals who have destroyed college education itself, so they can go fuck themselves for that, thank you very much. But we don't have nearly as many topics about the humanities as we do about vaccines, so it might appear as if I'm on Team Liberals. I'm not.

[Jolly]

One county does not a country make.

[xenon]

@jolly said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

@xenon said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

Vaccine hesitancy always seemed like a hippie, granola, organic ingredients type deal.

What is the main logical thrust of the current hesitancy?

I know it’s correlated to politics, but I don’t know what people actually believe.

Politics? Explain, please.

I go through a range of moderately popular podcasts and articles from a range of of people across the political spectrum.

I noticed high correlation (not perfect) with vaccine skepticism and politics.

Another easy one is counties voting for Trump and vaccine rates. That one is confounded by urban / rural divide though - and other variables.

[xenon]

One specific example, a video for Candace Owens popped up for me on some platform.

I hadn’t heard her in a year. I was just curious what she’d be talking about these days - and sure enough it was her talking about evil forces behind the vaccine.

[Larry]

@xenon said in What’s the vaccine hesitancy driver?:

One specific example, a video for Candace Owens popped up for me on some platform.

I hadn’t heard her in a year. I was just curious what she’d be talking about these days - and sure enough it was her talking about evil forces behind the vaccine.

You have made an error. It's the kind of error that's typical of those who lean left - you reworded her position and made it the opposite of the truth. Owens does not and never has talked about the evil forces behind the vaccine. Not once. In fact, when talking about the vaccine, she has done the exact opposite of what you say she's done. She supports the vaccine, and has consistently done so. The "evil forces" ( your words, not hers) she refers to are those trying to use government to force people take the vaccine, and the abuse of power involved and the assault on our Constitution it causes.

There is a HUGE difference between those two things. I'm not sure if you consciously misrepresented her position, or if you honestly dont understand what you did.