Picking up some stuff at Lowe's
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The crime was committed in broad daylight on August 25, when the pair escorted thousands of dollars of electrical wire out of the store in shopping carts while employees stood by unable to intervene.
When employee attempted to ask the shoplifters to prove their purchases, the men ignored the request and hurried out the door. A second employee also tried to thwart them, saying “Hey don’t do this. It’s not worth it,” he said.
Sullivan suggested that the men were seasoned shoplifters banking on the workers being powerless to stop them, noting that a getaway car was already waiting outside the store front.
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While local police are reportedly investigating the incident, Keizer Police Lt. Andrew Copeland told Fox News that shoplifters aren’t the top priority for jailing given that many prisons are trying to minimize capacity amid the pandemic.
Copeland said that many Oregon chain stores prevent retailers and their staff from stopping theft, adding that such offenders would likely not be incarcerated and would only receive fines and citations as penalties.
“Once you’ve stolen from Lowe’s once and know they can’t stop you, there’s no real consequence,” he said. “Second thing is, these people know they can’t go to jail.”
@george-k said in Picking up some stuff at Lowe's:
Copeland said that many Oregon chain stores prevent retailers and their staff from stopping theft, adding that such offenders would likely not be incarcerated and would only receive fines and citations as penalties.
Personally, if I were the CEO of Lowes, I would immediately close every store in the state of Oregon, transfer stock to other states and sell the property.
I would encourage the CEO of Home Depot to do the same thing.
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Why stores would continue to operate in this kind of environment is beyond me.
We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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@improviso Probably to serve all the customers who don't shoplift.
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You mean the customers who elected state and local officials who enacted "hands off policies" for this kind of behavior? Those customers?
Sorry. You get what you vote for.
I'd still close every damn store in the state.
And those who didn't vote for these officials... last time I checked, Oregon doesn't have a wall around the state keeping its citizens from leaving. The smart ones ARE leaving.
We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on. -
A lot of the USA operates on honor systems.
Shopping malls used to have “mall cops.” But the malls’ popularity has been waning for a long time. Even before the pandemic, I rarely see “mall cops” when I visited shopping malls.
Most other stores, “big box” or otherwise, do not hire security guards or security service. Regular store keeping employees are not trained to deal with robbers and burglars and shoplifters who dare to use force. Heck, the employees may even have been explicitly told to not engage in any forceful confrontation. If you’re an employee making $15/hr, neither you nor your loved ones want you to engage in forceful confrontation to protect a few hundreds dollars or your employer’s merchandise. Your employer’s insurance companies most likely do not either.
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@jolly said in Picking up some stuff at Lowe's:
To be honest, the guys in East Oregon would like to secede.
Many in Virginia would like to kick Northern Virginia out of the state.
Full of liberals and nothing more than a bedroom community for DC.
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Happy memory... Many years ago, my brother, who used to toss people out of bars for a living, was entering a grocery store when a shoplifter dashed out the entrance and shoved my brother. My bro, who could move 250 lb people around with the ease of picking up a cupcake, nearly embedded the guy into the wall.
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@axtremus said in Picking up some stuff at Lowe's:
A lot of the USA operates on honor systems.
Shopping malls used to have “mall cops.” But the malls’ popularity has been waning for a long time. Even before the pandemic, I rarely see “mall cops” when I visited shopping malls.
Most other stores, “big box” or otherwise, do not hire security guards or security service. Regular store keeping employees are not trained to deal with robbers and burglars and shoplifters who dare to use force. Heck, the employees may even have been explicitly told to not engage in any forceful confrontation. If you’re an employee making $15/hr, neither you nor your loved ones want you to engage in forceful confrontation to protect a few hundreds dollars or your employer’s merchandise. Your employer’s insurance companies most likely do not either.
You're right, you don't see mall cops any more. You're also correct that you dont see security guards in big stores. In the states that haven't succumbed to leftist idiocy, those outdated methods have been replaced by security camera systems, plain clothes "customers" - security guards dressed like everyone else pretending to shop, but in radio contact with the security guard in the back. Now instead of having to call for a security guard, when you stick something in your pocket the guy behind you pushing a shopping cart communicates with the guy in the back who watches you on camera. Your ass goes to jail.
That's how it's done here anyway.
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You mean the customers who elected state and local officials who enacted "hands off policies" for this kind of behavior? Those customers?
Sorry. You get what you vote for.
I'd still close every damn store in the state.
And those who didn't vote for these officials... last time I checked, Oregon doesn't have a wall around the state keeping its citizens from leaving. The smart ones ARE leaving.
@improviso said in Picking up some stuff at Lowe's:
You mean the customers who elected state and local officials who enacted "hands off policies" for this kind of behavior? Those customers?
So every voting age citizen in Oregon voted that day. And every one of them voted for the hands-off people. So every one of them deserve to be punished. And your solution is to levy on them the same sanctions you're punishing them for, only harsher.
Got it.
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@catseye3 said in Picking up some stuff at Lowe's:
@improviso said in Picking up some stuff at Lowe's:
You mean the customers who elected state and local officials who enacted "hands off policies" for this kind of behavior? Those customers?
So every voting age citizen in Oregon voted that day. And every one of them voted for the hands-off people. And your solution is to levy on them the same sanctions you're punishing them for, only harsher.
Got it.
Sometimes I wonder how you manage to find your way home.
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@larry said in Picking up some stuff at Lowe's:
Sometimes I wonder how you manage to find your way home.
She lives in Northern Virginia...so....
We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on. -
A lot of the USA operates on honor systems.
Shopping malls used to have “mall cops.” But the malls’ popularity has been waning for a long time. Even before the pandemic, I rarely see “mall cops” when I visited shopping malls.
Most other stores, “big box” or otherwise, do not hire security guards or security service. Regular store keeping employees are not trained to deal with robbers and burglars and shoplifters who dare to use force. Heck, the employees may even have been explicitly told to not engage in any forceful confrontation. If you’re an employee making $15/hr, neither you nor your loved ones want you to engage in forceful confrontation to protect a few hundreds dollars or your employer’s merchandise. Your employer’s insurance companies most likely do not either.
@axtremus said in Picking up some stuff at Lowe's:
A lot of the USA operates on honor systems.
Yes all of civilization does. But ultimately it's all backed by the credible threat of violence. White progressive women, who are the primary source of our cultural ideas, are not credible threats of violence. Violence is icky, to them.
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@larry said in Picking up some stuff at Lowe's:
Sometimes I wonder how you manage to find your way home.
She lives in Northern Virginia...so....
@improviso said in Picking up some stuff at Lowe's:
@larry said in Picking up some stuff at Lowe's:
Sometimes I wonder how you manage to find your way home.
She lives in Northern Virginia...so....
No, she doesn’t.
