A Trifle Unprofessional
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wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 11:38 last edited by
Jolly
I know you have been scrupulously fair about this.
Most of the public just wants to move on and doesn’t want to hear from the vaccine skeptics anymore. They had their day and now it’s time to move on with life. It is so old, boring and deadly.
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wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 11:41 last edited by
Not everybody sees everything as a vaccine issue. This is bigger.
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Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?
Especially if doing so can impact other people, besides the patient?
wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 11:47 last edited by@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?
They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?
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wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 11:58 last edited by
The writer of the article doesn't like playing the race or gender card. We know this because he tells us so, right before he plays the race and gender cards.
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@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?
They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?
wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 12:04 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?
They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?
Religious reasons <> political beliefs
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wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 12:04 last edited by
Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.
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@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?
They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?
wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 12:05 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?
They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?
Not quite. And that's usually a very narrow refusal, usually based on abortion.
As long as another professional can, it's certainly not an issue.
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Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.
wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 12:06 last edited by@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.
Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?
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@doctor-phibes said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?
They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?
Not quite. And that's usually a very narrow refusal, usually based on abortion.
As long as another professional can, it's certainly not an issue.
wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 12:16 last edited by@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@doctor-phibes said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?
They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?
Not quite. And that's usually a very narrow refusal, usually based on abortion.
As long as another professional can, it's certainly not an issue.
Also birth control, hormone therapy and the HPV vaccine.
Couldn't another professional have tested Candace?
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wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 12:17 last edited by
They advertised they were the only lab in the area that did RT-PCR testing.
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@doctor-phibes said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?
They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?
Religious reasons <> political beliefs
wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 12:17 last edited by@george-k said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Religious reasons <> political beliefs
You could have fooled me.
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@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.
Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?
wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 12:21 last edited by Loki 9 Feb 2021, 12:23@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.
Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?
People are fed up with the political battle over vaccines. It never occurred to me what her gender or race was. Good luck changing the overriding narrative….it’s like pissing into the wind.
Reminds me of getting the Japanese soldiers in the jungle in WW2 to surrender. Folks, the war is over.
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@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.
Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?
People are fed up with the political battle over vaccines. It never occurred to me what her gender or race was. Good luck changing the overriding narrative….it’s like pissing into the wind.
Reminds me of getting the Japanese soldiers in the jungle in WW2 to surrender. Folks, the war is over.
wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 13:07 last edited by@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.
Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?
People are fed up with the political battle over vaccines. It never occurred to me what her gender or race was. Good luck changing the overriding narrative….it’s like pissing into the wind.
Reminds me of getting the Japanese soldiers in the jungle in WW2 to surrender. Folks, the war is over.
You’re talking about an issue where public sentiment and wishes are worthless and have no meaning.
@Doctor-Phibes your argument about HPV vaccines, hormone therapy, etc… might have merit if hormone therapy was required for travel and entry to public events and spaces.
This woman’s efforts does nothing to promote public health and in fact hinders it.
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@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.
Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?
People are fed up with the political battle over vaccines. It never occurred to me what her gender or race was. Good luck changing the overriding narrative….it’s like pissing into the wind.
Reminds me of getting the Japanese soldiers in the jungle in WW2 to surrender. Folks, the war is over.
You’re talking about an issue where public sentiment and wishes are worthless and have no meaning.
@Doctor-Phibes your argument about HPV vaccines, hormone therapy, etc… might have merit if hormone therapy was required for travel and entry to public events and spaces.
This woman’s efforts does nothing to promote public health and in fact hinders it.
wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 13:09 last edited by@lufins-dad said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.
Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?
People are fed up with the political battle over vaccines. It never occurred to me what her gender or race was. Good luck changing the overriding narrative….it’s like pissing into the wind.
Reminds me of getting the Japanese soldiers in the jungle in WW2 to surrender. Folks, the war is over.
You’re talking about an issue where public sentiment and wishes are worthless and have no meaning.
@Doctor-Phibes your argument about HPV vaccines, hormone therapy, etc… might have merit if hormone therapy was required for travel and entry to public events and spaces.
This woman’s efforts does nothing to promote public health and in fact hinders it.
I think as a matter of policy you see that most institutions are rolling right past vaccine hesitant folks making it their problem exclusively. The time for understanding and incentives is over. Maybe I wasn’t clear in my statement.
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wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 13:23 last edited by
Let me be clear in mine...I'm for vaccination, but I'm not for mandating a vaccine that only gives temporary protection from certain strains of a virus. At that point, you are letting the temporary undermine the permanent. The permanent being a Constitutional right to be secure in our property and person. In your scramble for the lifeboat, don't knock down people you do not agree with.
And while much of your argument is esoteric, I'm walking in rooms swabbing these folks or sometimes doing the difficult draws my phlebe can't do. I know up close the nastiness of the disease.
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Let me be clear in mine...I'm for vaccination, but I'm not for mandating a vaccine that only gives temporary protection from certain strains of a virus. At that point, you are letting the temporary undermine the permanent. The permanent being a Constitutional right to be secure in our property and person. In your scramble for the lifeboat, don't knock down people you do not agree with.
And while much of your argument is esoteric, I'm walking in rooms swabbing these folks or sometimes doing the difficult draws my phlebe can't do. I know up close the nastiness of the disease.
wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 13:27 last edited by@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Let me be clear in mine...I'm for vaccination, but I'm not for mandating a vaccine that only gives temporary protection from certain strains of a virus. At that point, you are letting the temporary undermine the permanent. The permanent being a Constitutional right to be secure in our property and person. In your scramble for the lifeboat, don't knock down people you do not agree with.
It’s an argument that now is limited to an audience of believers. Poke the bear and you will see most people get self righteous and emotional as Horace likes to point out. He thinks it is some sort of DSM-5 disorder (knight in self reflectic armor) but I don’t get his argument yet.
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wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 13:32 last edited by
49% of the U.S. population is unvaccinated.
Candace is obeying the rules. She is constantly testing. You're in favor of denial of care, because of your crusade.
Would you prefer she not be tested?
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@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.
Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?
People are fed up with the political battle over vaccines. It never occurred to me what her gender or race was. Good luck changing the overriding narrative….it’s like pissing into the wind.
Reminds me of getting the Japanese soldiers in the jungle in WW2 to surrender. Folks, the war is over.
You’re talking about an issue where public sentiment and wishes are worthless and have no meaning.
@Doctor-Phibes your argument about HPV vaccines, hormone therapy, etc… might have merit if hormone therapy was required for travel and entry to public events and spaces.
This woman’s efforts does nothing to promote public health and in fact hinders it.
wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 13:36 last edited by@lufins-dad said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
@loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:
Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.
Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?
People are fed up with the political battle over vaccines. It never occurred to me what her gender or race was. Good luck changing the overriding narrative….it’s like pissing into the wind.
Reminds me of getting the Japanese soldiers in the jungle in WW2 to surrender. Folks, the war is over.
You’re talking about an issue where public sentiment and wishes are worthless and have no meaning.
@Doctor-Phibes your argument about HPV vaccines, hormone therapy, etc… might have merit if hormone therapy was required for travel and entry to public events and spaces.
This woman’s efforts does nothing to promote public health and in fact hinders it.
I didn't say I agreed with her actions. I don't agree that people should be able to pick and choose what they do for religious reasons, either. Objectively, there's absolutely nothing special about religious beliefs - they're simply personal opinions. If you allow people special treatment because of religious belief, then you should also allow the same flexibility for other personal opinions.
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wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 13:43 last edited by
First Amendment.
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wrote on 2 Sept 2021, 13:45 last edited by
Candace lost me when she went anti-everything COVID, but she should not be denied a test.
Part of me though wonders if it was a bit of a setup.
