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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?

    Especially if doing so can impact other people, besides the patient?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Loki
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      She breathlessly is going to show the world the public health crisis they are creating. Okay, the vaccine doesn’t exist. Seriously?

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        It's a much bigger issue than a vaccine.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?

          Especially if doing so can impact other people, besides the patient?

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          Loki
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          @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

          Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?

          Especially if doing so can impact other people, besides the patient?

          Um she is creating the greater public health issue. So we are supposed to enable her?

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            Loki
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            Jolly

            I know you have been scrupulously fair about this.

            Most of the public just wants to move on and doesn’t want to hear from the vaccine skeptics anymore. They had their day and now it’s time to move on with life. It is so old, boring and deadly.

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              Jolly
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              Not everybody sees everything as a vaccine issue. This is bigger.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?

                Especially if doing so can impact other people, besides the patient?

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                Doctor Phibes
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                @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?

                They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?

                I was only joking

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  #12

                  The writer of the article doesn't like playing the race or gender card. We know this because he tells us so, right before he plays the race and gender cards.

                  I was only joking

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                    Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?

                    They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?

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                    George K
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                    @doctor-phibes said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                    @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                    Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?

                    They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?

                    Religious reasons <> political beliefs

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Loki
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                      Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                        Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?

                        They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?

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                        Jolly
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                        @doctor-phibes said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                        @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                        Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?

                        They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?

                        Not quite. And that's usually a very narrow refusal, usually based on abortion.

                        As long as another professional can, it's certainly not an issue.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.

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                          Jolly
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                          @loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                          Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.

                          Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @doctor-phibes said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                            @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                            Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?

                            They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?

                            Not quite. And that's usually a very narrow refusal, usually based on abortion.

                            As long as another professional can, it's certainly not an issue.

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                            @doctor-phibes said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                            @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                            Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?

                            They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?

                            Not quite. And that's usually a very narrow refusal, usually based on abortion.

                            As long as another professional can, it's certainly not an issue.

                            Also birth control, hormone therapy and the HPV vaccine.

                            Couldn't another professional have tested Candace?

                            I was only joking

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                              They advertised they were the only lab in the area that did RT-PCR testing.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                @doctor-phibes said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                Do you think a medical professional should refuse treatment?

                                They are allowed to do so for religious reasons, right?

                                Religious reasons <> political beliefs

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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                @george-k said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                Religious reasons <> political beliefs

                                You could have fooled me.

                                I was only joking

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                  Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.

                                  Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?

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                                  Loki
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                                  #20

                                  @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                  @loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                  Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.

                                  Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?

                                  People are fed up with the political battle over vaccines. It never occurred to me what her gender or race was. Good luck changing the overriding narrative….it’s like pissing into the wind.

                                  Reminds me of getting the Japanese soldiers in the jungle in WW2 to surrender. Folks, the war is over.

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                                    @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                    @loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                    Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.

                                    Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?

                                    People are fed up with the political battle over vaccines. It never occurred to me what her gender or race was. Good luck changing the overriding narrative….it’s like pissing into the wind.

                                    Reminds me of getting the Japanese soldiers in the jungle in WW2 to surrender. Folks, the war is over.

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    @loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                    @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                    @loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                    Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.

                                    Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?

                                    People are fed up with the political battle over vaccines. It never occurred to me what her gender or race was. Good luck changing the overriding narrative….it’s like pissing into the wind.

                                    Reminds me of getting the Japanese soldiers in the jungle in WW2 to surrender. Folks, the war is over.

                                    You’re talking about an issue where public sentiment and wishes are worthless and have no meaning.

                                    @Doctor-Phibes your argument about HPV vaccines, hormone therapy, etc… might have merit if hormone therapy was required for travel and entry to public events and spaces.

                                    This woman’s efforts does nothing to promote public health and in fact hinders it.

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                      @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                      @loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                      Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.

                                      Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?

                                      People are fed up with the political battle over vaccines. It never occurred to me what her gender or race was. Good luck changing the overriding narrative….it’s like pissing into the wind.

                                      Reminds me of getting the Japanese soldiers in the jungle in WW2 to surrender. Folks, the war is over.

                                      You’re talking about an issue where public sentiment and wishes are worthless and have no meaning.

                                      @Doctor-Phibes your argument about HPV vaccines, hormone therapy, etc… might have merit if hormone therapy was required for travel and entry to public events and spaces.

                                      This woman’s efforts does nothing to promote public health and in fact hinders it.

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                                      Loki
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                                      @lufins-dad said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                      @loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                      @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                      @loki said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                      Hey Candace - your fight is not a matter of public interest. It’s a personal jihad. We get it, we are sorry if your eureka discovery doesn’t move us.

                                      Gee, a black woman is refused treatment on political grounds and you find it is not newsworthy?

                                      People are fed up with the political battle over vaccines. It never occurred to me what her gender or race was. Good luck changing the overriding narrative….it’s like pissing into the wind.

                                      Reminds me of getting the Japanese soldiers in the jungle in WW2 to surrender. Folks, the war is over.

                                      You’re talking about an issue where public sentiment and wishes are worthless and have no meaning.

                                      @Doctor-Phibes your argument about HPV vaccines, hormone therapy, etc… might have merit if hormone therapy was required for travel and entry to public events and spaces.

                                      This woman’s efforts does nothing to promote public health and in fact hinders it.

                                      I think as a matter of policy you see that most institutions are rolling right past vaccine hesitant folks making it their problem exclusively. The time for understanding and incentives is over. Maybe I wasn’t clear in my statement.

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                                        Let me be clear in mine...I'm for vaccination, but I'm not for mandating a vaccine that only gives temporary protection from certain strains of a virus. At that point, you are letting the temporary undermine the permanent. The permanent being a Constitutional right to be secure in our property and person. In your scramble for the lifeboat, don't knock down people you do not agree with.

                                        And while much of your argument is esoteric, I'm walking in rooms swabbing these folks or sometimes doing the difficult draws my phlebe can't do. I know up close the nastiness of the disease.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          Let me be clear in mine...I'm for vaccination, but I'm not for mandating a vaccine that only gives temporary protection from certain strains of a virus. At that point, you are letting the temporary undermine the permanent. The permanent being a Constitutional right to be secure in our property and person. In your scramble for the lifeboat, don't knock down people you do not agree with.

                                          And while much of your argument is esoteric, I'm walking in rooms swabbing these folks or sometimes doing the difficult draws my phlebe can't do. I know up close the nastiness of the disease.

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                                          @jolly said in A Trifle Unprofessional:

                                          Let me be clear in mine...I'm for vaccination, but I'm not for mandating a vaccine that only gives temporary protection from certain strains of a virus. At that point, you are letting the temporary undermine the permanent. The permanent being a Constitutional right to be secure in our property and person. In your scramble for the lifeboat, don't knock down people you do not agree with.

                                          It’s an argument that now is limited to an audience of believers. Poke the bear and you will see most people get self righteous and emotional as Horace likes to point out. He thinks it is some sort of DSM-5 disorder (knight in self reflectic armor) but I don’t get his argument yet.

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