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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    First, the hospitals...

    https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/investigations/david-hammer/entergy-new-power-plant-electricity-hospitals/289-97565961-85d6-4079-b07e-2a367e56726e

    In another article, WWL did say a few homes in New Orleans East would get power today.

    Also, CLECO customers will be back up in days, not weeks. CLECO will then help Entergy.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • George KG Offline
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      If memory serves, reading "Five Days at Memorial" it struck me how Memorial and other places were doomed because their generators were either under-fueled or under-maintained.

      Hopefully hospitals learned from those lessons.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        If memory serves, reading "Five Days at Memorial" it struck me how Memorial and other places were doomed because their generators were either under-fueled or under-maintained.

        Hopefully hospitals learned from those lessons.

        kluursK Offline
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        @george-k said in About three days...:

        If memory serves, reading "Five Days at Memorial" it struck me how Memorial and other places were doomed because their generators were either under-fueled or under-maintained.

        Or under water. The generators were in the basement.

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        • George KG George K

          If memory serves, reading "Five Days at Memorial" it struck me how Memorial and other places were doomed because their generators were either under-fueled or under-maintained.

          Hopefully hospitals learned from those lessons.

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          George K
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          #4

          @George-K said in About three days...:

          "Five Days at Memorial"

          Really looking forward to this...

          Link to video

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #5

            Link to video

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              Watched the first episode and a half this AM.

              Well done. It's been 7+ years since I read the book, so a lot of memories have faded.

              Episode 2 starts on Day 2. Katrina has passed, and everyone's feeling kind of good. They survived the storm, mostly intact, and the sun is out. People sitting on the ramp to the ER, having a smoke. Rumors of gang rapes in the area, some looting going on...

              But only 18 inches of water. Basement generator gonna be OK unless they get four feet. Well...

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                My God...

                I don't know how accurate the personal interactions depicted are, but the overall tone matches that of the book.

                Unbelievable.

                "Do SOMETHING!"

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
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                  #8

                  Next up on our list.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    One episode to go, next Friday.

                    The first 5 episodes are all about the horrors that occurred - no power, no water, no evacuation plan, etc.

                    The final 3 are the "reckoning," in which the deaths of 45 people are investigated. At least 7 were found to have morphine and midazolam (Versed) in their system. Several of the staff say that they saw Dr. Pou inject patients with the drugs, and the patients shortly died afterward. The penultimate episode ends with Pou getting arrested for murder.

                    As I'm watching this, I'm thinking, "What would YOU do?"

                    Many of these patients are simply not transportable. They are too large (one guy, a paraplegic is 350 lb), too sick to carry up (or down) seven flights of stairs. There's no power to keep ventilators going. They simply are NOT GOING TO GET OUT.

                    The staff has been given orders by the government to evacuate by 7PM.

                    What do you do with these hapless souls? Let them die, alone, in an abandoned, flooded, overheated hospital?

                    What is the alternative?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      Outstanding series. No good answers, no solutions.

                      Just laying out the facts of what happened and the controversy over the aftermath.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        #11

                        Too bad it's on Apple TV, I would enjoy watching that but don't have a subscription. Looks good, with great acting it seems.

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                        • George KG George K

                          One episode to go, next Friday.

                          The first 5 episodes are all about the horrors that occurred - no power, no water, no evacuation plan, etc.

                          The final 3 are the "reckoning," in which the deaths of 45 people are investigated. At least 7 were found to have morphine and midazolam (Versed) in their system. Several of the staff say that they saw Dr. Pou inject patients with the drugs, and the patients shortly died afterward. The penultimate episode ends with Pou getting arrested for murder.

                          As I'm watching this, I'm thinking, "What would YOU do?"

                          Many of these patients are simply not transportable. They are too large (one guy, a paraplegic is 350 lb), too sick to carry up (or down) seven flights of stairs. There's no power to keep ventilators going. They simply are NOT GOING TO GET OUT.

                          The staff has been given orders by the government to evacuate by 7PM.

                          What do you do with these hapless souls? Let them die, alone, in an abandoned, flooded, overheated hospital?

                          What is the alternative?

                          MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
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                          @George-K said in About three days...:

                          One episode to go, next Friday.

                          The first 5 episodes are all about the horrors that occurred - no power, no water, no evacuation plan, etc.

                          The final 3 are the "reckoning," in which the deaths of 45 people are investigated. At least 7 were found to have morphine and midazolam (Versed) in their system. Several of the staff say that they saw Dr. Pou inject patients with the drugs, and the patients shortly died afterward. The penultimate episode ends with Pou getting arrested for murder.

                          As I'm watching this, I'm thinking, "What would YOU do?"

                          Many of these patients are simply not transportable. They are too large (one guy, a paraplegic is 350 lb), too sick to carry up (or down) seven flights of stairs. There's no power to keep ventilators going. They simply are NOT GOING TO GET OUT.

                          The staff has been given orders by the government to evacuate by 7PM.

                          What do you do with these hapless souls? Let them die, alone, in an abandoned, flooded, overheated hospital?

                          What is the alternative?

                          There are worse things than a peaceful, painless death. To charge with murder in this situation is a miscarriage of justice.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Away
                            MikM Away
                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by Mik
                            #13

                            Maybe there is a silver lining in all this. From another article:

                            https://thecinemaholic.com/dr-anna-pou-now/

                            "In 2009, a resolution was passed wherein the State of Louisiana agreed to pay Pou’s legal fees of over $450,000 after the jury’s decision to not indict the doctor. In the years that followed, Pou played an integral part in writing and passing three laws in Louisiana that provide immunity to health care professionals from most civil lawsuits, except cases of willful misconduct, for their work in future disasters that range from hurricanes to pandemic influenza.

                            Pou has also become a distinguished speaker in the medical field, prominently talking about the role of medical professionals during disasters and ethical considerations of physicians during disasters among many more subjects. "

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              Believe it or not, I found the miniseries to be a bit more balanced than the book. Admittedly, it's been 5-6 years since I read the book, but I walked away with the feeling that something, anything, could and should have been done in those last days.

                              The miniseries does a good job of showing that there were no good choices. Only "less bad" choices. For those that didn't know, the building actually housed two hospitals within its walls, and there was a fair amount of politics and jockeying between the two.

                              Very disturbing on many levels.

                              Farmiga was excellent, by the way.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • MikM Away
                                MikM Away
                                Mik
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                                Whoever decided that putting the generators in the basement in NOLA should be pilloried.

                                Reminds me of a hospital I knew that was installing a mainframe computer. They were told that it needed a raised floor, which pretty much everyone knows is for running cables underneath.

                                When the installers came back the IT director had had 8" of cement poured on top of the existing floor. True story.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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