Left Behind
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Okay, point taken. I should have clarified that I couldn't see the point of Taliban going out of their way to torture dogs, in a war situation.
Now that you've gotten your shots off, I'll point out that neither of them addressed the main point. Which is: Somebody is either mistaken or lying. Either the AH prez or the Pentagon. She describes the dogs left behind as -- I forget the wording -- military contract working dogs, which if you believe the Pentagon they weren't, or the Pentagon is lying about having left the dogs. There's a discrepancy.
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@george-k said in Left Behind:
Most Muslim scholars agree that in Islam the saliva of a dog is ritually impure and that objects (or perhaps persons) that come into contact with a dog's saliva require them to be washed seven times. This ruling comes from the hadith:
How many Muslim events have you been to?
I've been to none. But I have been to quite a few Christian church services, so I know the following is not a modern Christian practice, nor is it condoned at face value by anyone sane:
Whosoever ... hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookback, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken ... He shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries.
I'm not willing to judge at face value these kinds of "Muslim teachings" without knowing more about the religion in practice, because I give Christianity the same latitude.
Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer said in Left Behind:
How many Muslim events have you been to?
Wait...lemme think.
That would be zero.
But that's not the point. The correct question is this: "How many Muslims have you spoken to that consider dogs unclean?"
The answer to that is more than zero. In fact, it's more than 6.
I've been to none. But I have been to quite a few Christian church services, so I know the following is not a modern Christian practice, nor is it condoned at face value by anyone sane:
Well, yeah. "Sane" is an important word there. In this context it might even be equivalent to "more recent than the 8th century."
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in Left Behind:
But that's not the point. The correct question is this: "How many Muslims have you spoken to that consider dogs unclean?"
The answer to that is more than zero. In fact, it's more than 6.Mine's zero.
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Out of the 6 that have visited me, 4 were cool with our dogs and 2 were aghast…
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Be they service dogs or maybe just dogs that belonged to American citizens trying to get out of Afghanistan, what do you think the Taliban did with them? Took them home for their children to snuggle with?
Probably shot the legs off of them and left them to whimper and die in the street.
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@axtremus said in Left Behind:
Years ago, I had a family of next door neighbors who were Muslims and kept dogs as pets. From what I could see, they treated their dogs pretty well too.
Good for them.
I doubt the Talibs would be as accommodating.
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"Muslims" isn't the point. "Extremist Islamist fundamentalists" is the point.
Over and over people say this, as though all Muslims are the same, and the world is divided into Muslims and non-Muslims. Honestly, it's ridiculous. It leads to no end of bullshit and bigotry.
I'm no expert, but...
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@doctor-phibes said in Left Behind:
"Muslims" isn't the point. "Extremist Islamist fundamentalists" is the point.
I know of at least two "non-extremist" Muslims who will not abide dogs.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in Left Behind:
@doctor-phibes said in Left Behind:
"Muslims" isn't the point. "Extremist Islamist fundamentalists" is the point.
I know of at least two "non-extremist" Muslims who will not abide dogs.
So therefore they kill them, too, or what?
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@george-k said in Left Behind:
@doctor-phibes said in Left Behind:
"Muslims" isn't the point. "Extremist Islamist fundamentalists" is the point.
I know of at least two "non-extremist" Muslims who will not abide dogs.
I know more than two white Americans who feel much the same way about cats.
My dad wasn't mad keen on the Japanese.
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@aqua-letifer said in Left Behind:
I know of at least two "non-extremist" Muslims who will not abide dogs.
So therefore they kill them, too, or what?
No, of course not.
But, they won't allow them in their homes.
How do you think that'll play out in Kabul?
@Doctor-Phibes said:
I know more than two white Americans who feel much the same way about cats.
My dad wasn't mad keen on the Japanese.
Yeah, I know several who don't like cats either.
Both you and @Aqua-Letifer are trying to equate reasonable, sane people who have a dislike with 7th century fundamentalists.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@aqua-letifer said in Left Behind:
@george-k said in Left Behind:
@doctor-phibes said in Left Behind:
"Muslims" isn't the point. "Extremist Islamist fundamentalists" is the point.
I know of at least two "non-extremist" Muslims who will not abide dogs.
So therefore they kill them, too, or what?
Nah, the Mexican family down the street kills them for them.
Tacos, anyone?
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@george-k said in Left Behind:
oth you and @Aqua-Letifer are trying to equate reasonable, sane people who have a dislike with 7th century fundamentalists.
No, I'm absolutely not. That was the whole point of what I complained about. It was other people that were saying 'Muslims', I was the one who pointed out that 'Muslim' and 'Extremist Islamist Fundamentalist' are not one and the same thing. The people who are in charge in Afghanistan are the latter.
I'm no expert, but...
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@doctor-phibes said in Left Behind:
I was the one who pointed out that 'Muslim' and 'Extremist Islamist Fundamentalist' are not one and the same thing.
I got that.
Now, which of those two do you think are going to deal with the dogs in Kabul?
The people who are in charge in Afghanistan are the latter.
Precisely.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in Left Behind:
@doctor-phibes said in Left Behind:
I was the one who pointed out that 'Muslim' and 'Extremist Islamist Fundamentalist' are not one and the same thing.
I got that.
Now, which of those two do you think are going to deal with the dogs in Kabul?
Yes, I know the dogs are fucked. So are all the people. I don't know why we're focusing on the dogs, to be honest.
Speaking of which, there's a British guy who's been running amok trying to save animals, as well. He threatened a member of the British government and went on a big rant, but he left his own people behind when he extricated a load of animals. The guy's a freaking maniac as far as I'm concerned - his attempts to get animals out was getting in the way of the humanitarian effort.
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My mother doesn't like dogs.
I have several friends that are dogs.
I don't like cats. If a cat has been in an area within the last several years I can't breathe. Everything swells up and turns red.
Darn anti-breathing cat owners don't care if I can breathe.
Anti-cat lives matter, get off my neck.
Selfish.
