S&P Breaks 4,500
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@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@loki said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@bachophile said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
I know it’s not PC to talk about personal investments but I’ll tell all. The bulk of my personal $$$ is in S and P indexed funds. For the past maybe thirty years. Maybe more.Weathered every major drop. Even black Monday of 87. and I’m still way ahead.
That me. Saves so much time not thinking about it, which is another major gift.
On the other hand, it might be a fun and profitable way to spend one's thinking time.
The only person I know in real life who used to put more of his own money than he could afford into trading, ended up losing his life savings in 2008.
Somebody else I know pulled all his 401K out (and paid taxes on it), when Obama was elected, as he said that the market was never, ever going to recover. In the second stupidest move of his life, he then offered to lend the money to the guy who'd just lost his life savings - true story.
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@loki said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@bachophile said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
I know it’s not PC to talk about personal investments but I’ll tell all. The bulk of my personal $$$ is in S and P indexed funds. For the past maybe thirty years. Maybe more.Weathered every major drop. Even black Monday of 87. and I’m still way ahead.
That me. Saves so much time not thinking about it, which is another major gift.
On the other hand, it might be a fun and profitable way to spend one's thinking time.
The only person I know in real life who used to put more of his own money than he could afford into trading, ended up losing his life savings in 2008.
You probably have some particular idea of what it is to "trade". But there are degrees, from choosing which funds to allocate your 401k to, to choosing which funds to put your after-tax savings into, to trading individual stocks, to trading derivatives. I am sure you know lots of people who fit somewhere along that line.
Education is extremely important.
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@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@loki said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@bachophile said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
I know it’s not PC to talk about personal investments but I’ll tell all. The bulk of my personal $$$ is in S and P indexed funds. For the past maybe thirty years. Maybe more.Weathered every major drop. Even black Monday of 87. and I’m still way ahead.
That me. Saves so much time not thinking about it, which is another major gift.
On the other hand, it might be a fun and profitable way to spend one's thinking time.
The only person I know in real life who used to put more of his own money than he could afford into trading, ended up losing his life savings in 2008.
You probably have some particular idea of what it is to "trade". But there are degrees, from choosing which funds to allocate your 401k to, to choosing which funds to put your after-tax savings into, to trading individual stocks, to trading derivatives. I am sure you know lots of people who fit somewhere along that line.
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@loki said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@bachophile said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
I know it’s not PC to talk about personal investments but I’ll tell all. The bulk of my personal $$$ is in S and P indexed funds. For the past maybe thirty years. Maybe more.Weathered every major drop. Even black Monday of 87. and I’m still way ahead.
That me. Saves so much time not thinking about it, which is another major gift.
On the other hand, it might be a fun and profitable way to spend one's thinking time.
The only person I know in real life who used to put more of his own money than he could afford into trading, ended up losing his life savings in 2008.
You probably have some particular idea of what it is to "trade". But there are degrees, from choosing which funds to allocate your 401k to, to choosing which funds to put your after-tax savings into, to trading individual stocks, to trading derivatives. I am sure you know lots of people who fit somewhere along that line.
Yeah, I thought it would be pretty obvious what I was talking about. Apparently not
I was only joking
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@mik said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
You cannot be serious. Did you ever pay him back?
The pair of them got divorced a couple of years later, which probably didn't help their finances either.
It was like watching the world's slowest car-accident.
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@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@loki said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@bachophile said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
I know it’s not PC to talk about personal investments but I’ll tell all. The bulk of my personal $$$ is in S and P indexed funds. For the past maybe thirty years. Maybe more.Weathered every major drop. Even black Monday of 87. and I’m still way ahead.
That me. Saves so much time not thinking about it, which is another major gift.
On the other hand, it might be a fun and profitable way to spend one's thinking time.
The only person I know in real life who used to put more of his own money than he could afford into trading, ended up losing his life savings in 2008.
You probably have some particular idea of what it is to "trade". But there are degrees, from choosing which funds to allocate your 401k to, to choosing which funds to put your after-tax savings into, to trading individual stocks, to trading derivatives. I am sure you know lots of people who fit somewhere along that line.
Yeah, I thought it would be pretty obvious what I was talking about. Apparently not
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@loki said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@bachophile said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
I know it’s not PC to talk about personal investments but I’ll tell all. The bulk of my personal $$$ is in S and P indexed funds. For the past maybe thirty years. Maybe more.Weathered every major drop. Even black Monday of 87. and I’m still way ahead.
That me. Saves so much time not thinking about it, which is another major gift.
On the other hand, it might be a fun and profitable way to spend one's thinking time.
The only person I know in real life who used to put more of his own money than he could afford into trading, ended up losing his life savings in 2008.
You probably have some particular idea of what it is to "trade". But there are degrees, from choosing which funds to allocate your 401k to, to choosing which funds to put your after-tax savings into, to trading individual stocks, to trading derivatives. I am sure you know lots of people who fit somewhere along that line.
Yeah, I thought it would be pretty obvious what I was talking about. Apparently not
Lol! But you probably still have no idea what sort of trading he did.
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@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@loki said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@bachophile said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
I know it’s not PC to talk about personal investments but I’ll tell all. The bulk of my personal $$$ is in S and P indexed funds. For the past maybe thirty years. Maybe more.Weathered every major drop. Even black Monday of 87. and I’m still way ahead.
That me. Saves so much time not thinking about it, which is another major gift.
On the other hand, it might be a fun and profitable way to spend one's thinking time.
The only person I know in real life who used to put more of his own money than he could afford into trading, ended up losing his life savings in 2008.
You probably have some particular idea of what it is to "trade". But there are degrees, from choosing which funds to allocate your 401k to, to choosing which funds to put your after-tax savings into, to trading individual stocks, to trading derivatives. I am sure you know lots of people who fit somewhere along that line.
Yeah, I thought it would be pretty obvious what I was talking about. Apparently not
Lol! But you probably still have no idea what sort of trading he did.
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@loki said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@bachophile said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
I know it’s not PC to talk about personal investments but I’ll tell all. The bulk of my personal $$$ is in S and P indexed funds. For the past maybe thirty years. Maybe more.Weathered every major drop. Even black Monday of 87. and I’m still way ahead.
That me. Saves so much time not thinking about it, which is another major gift.
On the other hand, it might be a fun and profitable way to spend one's thinking time.
The only person I know in real life who used to put more of his own money than he could afford into trading, ended up losing his life savings in 2008.
You probably have some particular idea of what it is to "trade". But there are degrees, from choosing which funds to allocate your 401k to, to choosing which funds to put your after-tax savings into, to trading individual stocks, to trading derivatives. I am sure you know lots of people who fit somewhere along that line.
Yeah, I thought it would be pretty obvious what I was talking about. Apparently not
Lol! But you probably still have no idea what sort of trading he did.
Because I'm an idiot, right?
He was trading individual tech stocks.
How about I send you an IM next time I want you to try to ruin a funny story?
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@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@loki said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@bachophile said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
I know it’s not PC to talk about personal investments but I’ll tell all. The bulk of my personal $$$ is in S and P indexed funds. For the past maybe thirty years. Maybe more.Weathered every major drop. Even black Monday of 87. and I’m still way ahead.
That me. Saves so much time not thinking about it, which is another major gift.
On the other hand, it might be a fun and profitable way to spend one's thinking time.
The only person I know in real life who used to put more of his own money than he could afford into trading, ended up losing his life savings in 2008.
You probably have some particular idea of what it is to "trade". But there are degrees, from choosing which funds to allocate your 401k to, to choosing which funds to put your after-tax savings into, to trading individual stocks, to trading derivatives. I am sure you know lots of people who fit somewhere along that line.
Yeah, I thought it would be pretty obvious what I was talking about. Apparently not
Lol! But you probably still have no idea what sort of trading he did.
Because I'm an idiot, right?
He was trading individual tech stocks.
How about I send you an IM next time I want you to try to ruin a funny story?
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
Because I'm an idiot, right?
I think you are intelligent and sophisticated.
He was trading individual tech stocks.
Well the moral of the story is a non-sequitur since trading individual tech stocks after 2001 wouldn't be expected to be a worse strategy than passive index fund investing. Unless the real investment is in morality plays about trading individual stocks. Which are fine.
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There's no moral to the story. It's just something that happened to a friend of mine.
And he started trading in 2008, just before everything crashed, because his wife filed for divorce and he wanted to make a shit-ton of money, mainly to annoy her. Despite my repeated suggestions to stop being a fucking idiot, he persisted, and lost a shit-ton of money.
Happy now?
The funny part of the story was the guy cashing in his 401K and offering to lend it to him.
Sheesh.
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There's no moral to the story. It's just something that happened to a friend of mine.
And he started trading in 2008, just before everything crashed, because his wife filed for divorce and he wanted to make a shit-ton of money, mainly to annoy her. Despite my repeated suggestions to stop being a fucking idiot, he persisted, and lost a shit-ton of money.
Happy now?
The funny part of the story was the guy cashing in his 401K and offering to lend it to him.
Sheesh.
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
There's no moral to the story. It's just something that happened to a friend of mine.
And he started trading in 2008, just before everything crashed, because his wife filed for divorce and he wanted to make a shit-ton of money, mainly to annoy her. Despite my repeated suggestions to stop being a fucking idiot, he persisted, and lost a shit-ton of money.
Happy now?
The funny part of the story was the guy cashing in his 401K and offering to lend it to him.
Sheesh.
I was hoping to steer the conversation towards my insights into why diversification can be diworsification, a term coined by the great investor Peter Lynch, but a concept independently generated by yours truly. However, you were so intent on telling a funny story, you ended up walking all over the point I would have made if only anybody had asked me. It's too late now though. Don't even ask.
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@jolly said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
It feels like a crash is probably coming. Lots of people will be surprised, and say it's the end times.
Then it will go up again.
It doesn't always have to go up, you know.
I'm a firm believer in things generally continuing to behave as they have in the past. Both your comment, and the stockmarket, are currently following that prediction
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@jolly said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
It feels like a crash is probably coming. Lots of people will be surprised, and say it's the end times.
Then it will go up again.
It doesn't always have to go up, you know.
I'm a firm believer in things generally continuing to behave as they have in the past. Both your comment, and the stockmarket, are currently following that prediction
Do a little reading on corrections and crashes early in your retirement as compared to later in your retirement.
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@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@jolly said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
It feels like a crash is probably coming. Lots of people will be surprised, and say it's the end times.
Then it will go up again.
It doesn't always have to go up, you know.
I'm a firm believer in things generally continuing to behave as they have in the past. Both your comment, and the stockmarket, are currently following that prediction
Do a little reading on corrections and crashes early in your retirement as compared to later in your retirement.
@jolly said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
Do a little reading on corrections and crashes early in your retirement as compared to later in your retirement.
Well yeah, at the point when you're getting close to retirement, it makes sense to move things to safer areas. Short term risk is clearly a thing, particularly when there's a bubble, long-term less so. But remember the gloom mongers in 2008? How did those predictions of Armageddon play out?
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@jolly said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
Do a little reading on corrections and crashes early in your retirement as compared to later in your retirement.
Well yeah, at the point when you're getting close to retirement, it makes sense to move things to safer areas. Short term risk is clearly a thing, particularly when there's a bubble, long-term less so. But remember the gloom mongers in 2008? How did those predictions of Armageddon play out?
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@jolly said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
Do a little reading on corrections and crashes early in your retirement as compared to later in your retirement.
Well yeah, at the point when you're getting close to retirement, it makes sense to move things to safer areas. Short term risk is clearly a thing, particularly when there's a bubble, long-term less so. But remember the gloom mongers in 2008? How did those predictions of Armageddon play out?
The bail out was the immediate consequence of the experts telling us by consensus that the Armageddon would happen without it.
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@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@jolly said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
Do a little reading on corrections and crashes early in your retirement as compared to later in your retirement.
Well yeah, at the point when you're getting close to retirement, it makes sense to move things to safer areas. Short term risk is clearly a thing, particularly when there's a bubble, long-term less so. But remember the gloom mongers in 2008? How did those predictions of Armageddon play out?
The bail out was the immediate consequence of the experts telling us by consensus that the Armageddon would happen without it.
@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@jolly said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
Do a little reading on corrections and crashes early in your retirement as compared to later in your retirement.
Well yeah, at the point when you're getting close to retirement, it makes sense to move things to safer areas. Short term risk is clearly a thing, particularly when there's a bubble, long-term less so. But remember the gloom mongers in 2008? How did those predictions of Armageddon play out?
The bail out was the immediate consequence of the experts telling us by consensus that the Armageddon would happen without it.
In the long run, did the bail out really matter - what would have happened without it? A bunch of companies would have gone under, and been replaced with other companies.
I'm not really an expert on this sort of thing, but it seems to me that people talk a lot of shit. The bailout was essentially welfare for rich people.
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@horace said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
@jolly said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
Do a little reading on corrections and crashes early in your retirement as compared to later in your retirement.
Well yeah, at the point when you're getting close to retirement, it makes sense to move things to safer areas. Short term risk is clearly a thing, particularly when there's a bubble, long-term less so. But remember the gloom mongers in 2008? How did those predictions of Armageddon play out?
The bail out was the immediate consequence of the experts telling us by consensus that the Armageddon would happen without it.
In the long run, did the bail out really matter - what would have happened without it? A bunch of companies would have gone under, and been replaced with other companies.
I'm not really an expert on this sort of thing, but it seems to me that people talk a lot of shit. The bailout was essentially welfare for rich people.
@doctor-phibes said in S&P Breaks 4,500:
n the long run, did the bail out really matter - what would have happened without it? A bunch of companies would have gone under, and been replaced with other companies.
That is what the expert consensus spoke to. It allegedly was not going to be a matter of same old shit different day with the only fallout being some rich bankers swallowing a gun. But of course I don’t know what would have happened, and at the time was in a mood to let it burn. I still wish we would have, but maybe I should be careful what I wish for.
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Might break 5,000 today. Then again, when I started this thread in August 2021, the S&P didn't hit 4500 again for over 2 years
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Well, obviously the markets have confidence in what President Biden is doing. LOL
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Don't look now, but look what companies are posting most of the gains.
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