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    George K
    wrote on 24 Aug 2021, 21:19 last edited by
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    https://www.openthebooks.com/the-national-desk-75000-us-military-vehicles-now-in-the-hands-of-the-taliban/

    Since 2001, the U.S. has spent $83 billion on Afghan security forces, through training and equipment.

    “We built them a pretty amazing war chest and now all of it is in the hands of the Taliban," said Open The Books' Adam Andrzejewski to Jan Jeffcoat on The National Desk. “We know that last month, as late as July, seven new helicopters were being delivered in the capital city of Kabul.”

    How much U.S. military equipment does the Taliban now control?

    “We've made the Taliban into a major U.S. arms dealer for the next decade,” said Andrzejewski. “They now control 75,000 military vehicles. This is about 50,000 tactical vehicles, 20,000 Humvees they control about 1,000 mine-resistant vehicles, and even about 150 armored personnel carriers.”

    According to Andrzejewski, there are also about 208 airplanes and helicopters. Some U.S. equipment given to Afghan security forces is currently unaccounted for, including missing military drones.

    “We found a Federal Audit that detailed up to $200 million worth of drones that had disappeared,” said Andrzejewski. “We don't know where 600,000 weapons are within the country.”

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Copper
      wrote on 24 Aug 2021, 21:43 last edited by
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      Wow, a couple thousand people will be a lot easier to replace than 75,000 vehicles.

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        Loki
        wrote on 24 Aug 2021, 22:22 last edited by
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        How long will they be able to keep in service? Will it be easy to get parts?

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          24 Aug 2021, 22:22

          How long will they be able to keep in service? Will it be easy to get parts?

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          George K
          wrote on 24 Aug 2021, 22:25 last edited by
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          @loki said in 75,000 vehicles:

          Will it be easy to get parts?

          That's the first thing I thought of when I read these stories about two weeks ago.

          Maintenance on these high-tech aircraft is ridiculous. Flight-time/maintainence-time is a fraction less, much less, than one.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Copper
            wrote on 25 Aug 2021, 00:28 last edited by
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            Maybe we didn’t leave the keys

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              kluurs
              wrote on 25 Aug 2021, 13:14 last edited by
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              There will certainly be a few books printed about all of this. The Afghan special forces commander said that we taught the Afghans to fight a high tech war, but then removed all of the support for the tech - game over.

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                George K
                wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 12:59 last edited by
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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 16:38 last edited by
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                  A friend posted this on Facebook, he owns a company that builds some very nice high-end sim software

                  In my company’s role of building flight simulator software, we had the great pleasure of sometimes creating simulators to help our fighting forces train better. In order to do that, we sometimes needed to get eyes on to the actual aircraft and systems we were simulating. This was often a challenge due to security clearance requirements, meaning sometimes we had to build things that we never got to see in person.

                  And yet now, our government has allowed the Taliban to get eyes and hands on our most sensitive equipment that I wasn’t always allowed to see. They have their grubby hands on the same equipment that many of my colleagues and close friends operated when they were there. What the hell is going on?

                  I am sick to my stomach thinking that some Taliban or ISIS fighter has their hands on the same control stick in the same aircraft that my friends handled on behalf of our country. I am sick. This is sick.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 26 Aug 2021, 16:51 last edited by
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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 27 Aug 2021, 11:55 last edited by
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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 3 Sept 2021, 14:02 last edited by
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                        Not the Bee:


                        The Taliban say they are 'angry and disappointed' and feel 'betrayed'
                        after America left so many inoperable helicopters and planes because 'the aircraft belong to Afghanistan'

                        Taliban fighters have been left feeling 'angry' and 'betrayed' after discovering the US had disabled military helicopters and planes before their departure from Kabul.

                        US troops 'demilitarised' 73 aircraft before their departure this week according to the commander of the US evacuation mission, Gen. Frank McKenzie.

                        That left up to 48 aircraft in the hands of the terror group, although it was not known how many were operable.

                        But the Taliban had 'expected the Americans to leave helicopters like this in one piece for their use', according to an Al Jazeera reporter who toured the airport after the withdrawal.

                        She said: 'When I said to them, "why do you think that the Americans would have left everything operational for you?" They said because we believe it is a national asset and we are the government now and this could have come to great use for us.'

                        She added: 'They are disappointed, they are angry, they feel betrayed because all of this equipment is broken beyond repair.'

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          89th
                          wrote on 3 Sept 2021, 14:11 last edited by
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                          It really highlights how out of sync their mentality is with ours. Almost as if there are tribal ethics to follow.

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 3 Sept 2021, 14:18 last edited by
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                            This is one of the few bright spots.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Rainman
                              wrote on 3 Sept 2021, 17:46 last edited by
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                              I wonder what they did to the equipment, where the taliban could not use the parts off of one machine to repair another identical machine.

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                                3 Sept 2021, 17:46

                                I wonder what they did to the equipment, where the taliban could not use the parts off of one machine to repair another identical machine.

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                                89th
                                wrote on 3 Sept 2021, 18:24 last edited by
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                                @rainman said in 75,000 vehicles:

                                I wonder what they did to the equipment, where the taliban could not use the parts off of one machine to repair another identical machine.

                                I'm sure half of it was the destruction of the engine or at least computer components that run the vehicle.

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                                  3 Sept 2021, 17:46

                                  I wonder what they did to the equipment, where the taliban could not use the parts off of one machine to repair another identical machine.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on 3 Sept 2021, 18:43 last edited by
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                                  @rainman said in 75,000 vehicles:

                                  I wonder what they did to the equipment, where the taliban could not use the parts off of one machine to repair another identical machine.

                                  They took the keys…

                                  The Brad

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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on 3 Sept 2021, 18:47 last edited by
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                                    There's wires under the dashboard where if you rip them out and connect two of them, the engine starts. Don't tell the Taliban that though.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      Doctor Phibes
                                      wrote on 3 Sept 2021, 18:50 last edited by
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                                      They're probably trying to fix them with tools left behind by the Soviets, which would have completely incompatible thread-types.

                                      I was only joking

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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on 3 Sept 2021, 18:51 last edited by
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                                        because the soviets would never use technology from the west

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                                          Catseye3
                                          wrote on 3 Sept 2021, 18:57 last edited by
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                                          “We've made the Taliban into a major U.S. arms dealer for the next decade,” said Andrzejewski. “They now control 75,000 military vehicles. This is about 50,000 tactical vehicles, 20,000 Humvees they control about 1,000 mine-resistant vehicles, and even about 150 armored personnel carriers.”

                                          And:

                                          "I am sick to my stomach thinking that some Taliban or ISIS fighter has their hands on the same control stick in the same aircraft that my friends handled on behalf of our country. I am sick. This is sick."

                                          This. Want to weep.

                                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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