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    Axtremus
    wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 12:46 last edited by
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    Knowing what you know now, would you go without masks when visiting other indoor places where there are other people who will be in your proximity?

    Just curious if the reported meta analysis is substantial enough to chang your behavior.

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      13 Aug 2021, 12:46

      Knowing what you know now, would you go without masks when visiting other indoor places where there are other people who will be in your proximity?

      Just curious if the reported meta analysis is substantial enough to chang your behavior.

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      George K
      wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 12:49 last edited by
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      @axtremus said in "Do Masks Work?":

      Just curious if the reported meta analysis is substantial enough to chang your behavior.

      Nah, I'll still mask up. I've stated many times that I have my doubts about the effectiveness of masks, particularly cloth ones.

      Just curious if the reported meta analysis is substantial enough to chang your behavior.

      The Danish study is not a meta-analysis, is it?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 12:50 last edited by
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        In the small hospital lab where I occasionally work, the masks are taken off after we walk into the lab.

        We haven't had a single case of worker-to-worker transmission, although a half dozen of us (including me) have had COVID.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          89th
          wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 14:28 last edited by
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          To me it’s pretty simple common sense that masks help reduce the transmission of human to human “stuff”. I don’t think it’s a perfect shield against covid micro particles or whatever but I’m sure it helps reduce things, so why not.

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          • 8 89th
            13 Aug 2021, 14:28

            To me it’s pretty simple common sense that masks help reduce the transmission of human to human “stuff”. I don’t think it’s a perfect shield against covid micro particles or whatever but I’m sure it helps reduce things, so why not.

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            George K
            wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 14:31 last edited by
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            @89th said in "Do Masks Work?":

            To me it’s pretty simple common sense that masks help reduce the transmission of human to human “stuff”.

            No disagreement there. The science of mask-wearing in the operating room is surprisingly scant.

            I don’t think it’s a perfect shield against covid micro particles or whatever but I’m sure it helps reduce things, so why not.

            So, let me get this straight.

            1. Masks prevent human "stuff" from transmitting
            2. Masks probably don't help with microparticles.

            By that logic you should have been wearing a mask before the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak - but you weren't, were you?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • G George K
              13 Aug 2021, 14:31

              @89th said in "Do Masks Work?":

              To me it’s pretty simple common sense that masks help reduce the transmission of human to human “stuff”.

              No disagreement there. The science of mask-wearing in the operating room is surprisingly scant.

              I don’t think it’s a perfect shield against covid micro particles or whatever but I’m sure it helps reduce things, so why not.

              So, let me get this straight.

              1. Masks prevent human "stuff" from transmitting
              2. Masks probably don't help with microparticles.

              By that logic you should have been wearing a mask before the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak - but you weren't, were you?

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              89th
              wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 14:40 last edited by
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              @george-k i’m not sure how to reply, you’re asking why didn’t I wear a mask before Covid?

              I wear a mask now because it’s required by the places I visit and I respect that, and I also respect the fact that it could have a part in helping to reduce the spread of the pandemic. Just doing my part as a good citizen, IMO.

              That being said, in general i’m comfortable without a mask because I am confident in my health and the vaccine I took.

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                13 Aug 2021, 14:40

                @george-k i’m not sure how to reply, you’re asking why didn’t I wear a mask before Covid?

                I wear a mask now because it’s required by the places I visit and I respect that, and I also respect the fact that it could have a part in helping to reduce the spread of the pandemic. Just doing my part as a good citizen, IMO.

                That being said, in general i’m comfortable without a mask because I am confident in my health and the vaccine I took.

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                George K
                wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 14:46 last edited by
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                @89th said in "Do Masks Work?":

                @george-k i’m not sure how to reply, you’re asking why didn’t I wear a mask before Covid?
                I wear a mask now because it’s required by the places I visit and I respect that, and I also respect the fact that it could have a part in helping to reduce the spread of the pandemic. Just doing my part as a good citizen, IMO.
                That being said, in general i’m comfortable without a mask because I am confident in my health and the vaccine I took.

                Perhaps I overestimated your concern about human "stuff."

                My sentiments are pretty much like yours, though I was never concerned about human "stuff" before the pandemic.

                The article I posted shows that masking plays little, if any role, in halting the spread of the pandemic. Everything else is anecdotal.

                If it's required, I'll mask up (our condo assn has reinstated the mask requirement for common areas), even though I'm not sure it really makes any difference.

                At my age, I'm not as confident of my health, of course.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  bachophile
                  wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 14:51 last edited by
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                  “The science of mask-wearing in the operating room is surprisingly scant.”

                  Well, before covid, I basically thought the reason to wear a mask in the OR is not to have blood, gunk, or someones colon content splash in my face. I don’t think it adds jackshit to helping to keep sterility.

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                  • B bachophile
                    13 Aug 2021, 14:51

                    “The science of mask-wearing in the operating room is surprisingly scant.”

                    Well, before covid, I basically thought the reason to wear a mask in the OR is not to have blood, gunk, or someones colon content splash in my face. I don’t think it adds jackshit to helping to keep sterility.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 14:53 last edited by
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                    @bachophile said in "Do Masks Work?":

                    “The science of mask-wearing in the operating room is surprisingly scant.”

                    Well, before covid, I basically thought the reason to wear a mask in the OR is not to have blood, gunk, or someones colon content splash in my face. I don’t think it adds jackshit to helping to keep sterility.

                    No face shields?

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      Copper
                      wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 14:57 last edited by
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                      That’s funny

                      I didn’t think it was allowed to say no mask is better than a mask.

                      It may be correct, but it’s not a nice thing to say

                      It makes you a bad person

                      Kind of like the language AL uses

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                        bachophile
                        wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 14:57 last edited by
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                        I wear a mask and glasses. Anything that gets in between is my bad luck

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                          13 Aug 2021, 14:51

                          “The science of mask-wearing in the operating room is surprisingly scant.”

                          Well, before covid, I basically thought the reason to wear a mask in the OR is not to have blood, gunk, or someones colon content splash in my face. I don’t think it adds jackshit to helping to keep sterility.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 15:03 last edited by
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                          @bachophile said in "Do Masks Work?":

                          “The science of mask-wearing in the operating room is surprisingly scant.”

                          Well, before covid, I basically thought the reason to wear a mask in the OR is not to have blood, gunk, or someones colon content splash in my face. I don’t think it adds jackshit to helping to keep sterility.

                          Exactly. It’s a question of protecting yourself much more than protecting the patient.

                          As someone who has had projectile vomitus come up into his face, I’m a big believer in self protection, LOL.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 15:08 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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                            I think there's a case for wearing a mask out of simple politeness if you're going into an enclosed public area.

                            I was only joking

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                              13 Aug 2021, 14:40

                              @george-k i’m not sure how to reply, you’re asking why didn’t I wear a mask before Covid?

                              I wear a mask now because it’s required by the places I visit and I respect that, and I also respect the fact that it could have a part in helping to reduce the spread of the pandemic. Just doing my part as a good citizen, IMO.

                              That being said, in general i’m comfortable without a mask because I am confident in my health and the vaccine I took.

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                              Loki
                              wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 15:18 last edited by
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                              @89th said in "Do Masks Work?":

                              @george-k i’m not sure how to reply, you’re asking why didn’t I wear a mask before Covid?

                              I wear a mask now because it’s required by the places I visit and I respect that, and I also respect the fact that it could have a part in helping to reduce the spread of the pandemic. Just doing my part as a good citizen, IMO.

                              That being said, in general i’m comfortable without a mask because I am confident in my health and the vaccine I took.

                              +1

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                                13 Aug 2021, 15:08

                                I think there's a case for wearing a mask out of simple politeness if you're going into an enclosed public area.

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                                Loki
                                wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 15:22 last edited by
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                                @doctor-phibes said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                I think there's a case for wearing a mask out of simple politeness if you're going into an enclosed public area.

                                Agreed. I am making no statement by wearing a mask and I don’t think I have the right to create conflict with absolute strangers. Just like BLM protesters have no right to shut down highways or destroy property.

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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 17:12 last edited by
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                                  @loki said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                  @doctor-phibes said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                  I think there's a case for wearing a mask out of simple politeness if you're going into an enclosed public area.

                                  Agreed. I am making no statement by wearing a mask and I don’t think I have the right to create conflict with absolute strangers. Just like BLM protesters have no right to shut down highways or destroy property.

                                  Clothes make the man

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                                    13 Aug 2021, 17:12

                                    @loki said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                    @doctor-phibes said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                    I think there's a case for wearing a mask out of simple politeness if you're going into an enclosed public area.

                                    Agreed. I am making no statement by wearing a mask and I don’t think I have the right to create conflict with absolute strangers. Just like BLM protesters have no right to shut down highways or destroy property.

                                    Clothes make the man

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 17:29 last edited by
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                                    @copper said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                    @loki said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                    @doctor-phibes said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                    I think there's a case for wearing a mask out of simple politeness if you're going into an enclosed public area.

                                    Agreed. I am making no statement by wearing a mask and I don’t think I have the right to create conflict with absolute strangers. Just like BLM protesters have no right to shut down highways or destroy property.

                                    Clothes make the man

                                    Pithy.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 17:29 last edited by
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                                      I really hope I'm not coming of as an anti-masker here, because it's not my intent.

                                      As I've said, many times, I've yet to see anything that comes close to real science about the effectiveness of masks with regard to COVID, until today.

                                      Now, wearing one makes me feel better, and it's polite. It's also required, so I'm a good citizen as well, and I do so.

                                      It's just not science, yet.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • G George K
                                        13 Aug 2021, 17:29

                                        I really hope I'm not coming of as an anti-masker here, because it's not my intent.

                                        As I've said, many times, I've yet to see anything that comes close to real science about the effectiveness of masks with regard to COVID, until today.

                                        Now, wearing one makes me feel better, and it's polite. It's also required, so I'm a good citizen as well, and I do so.

                                        It's just not science, yet.

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 17:35 last edited by
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                                        @george-k said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                        I really hope I'm not coming of as an anti-masker here, because it's not my intent.

                                        It’s how you make me feel.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          13 Aug 2021, 17:29

                                          I really hope I'm not coming of as an anti-masker here, because it's not my intent.

                                          As I've said, many times, I've yet to see anything that comes close to real science about the effectiveness of masks with regard to COVID, until today.

                                          Now, wearing one makes me feel better, and it's polite. It's also required, so I'm a good citizen as well, and I do so.

                                          It's just not science, yet.

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                                          Loki
                                          wrote on 13 Aug 2021, 17:36 last edited by
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                                          @george-k said in "Do Masks Work?":

                                          I really hope I'm not coming of as an anti-masker here, because it's not my intent.

                                          As I've said, many times, I've yet to see anything that comes close to real science about the effectiveness of masks with regard to COVID, until today.

                                          Now, wearing one makes me feel better, and it's polite. It's also required, so I'm a good citizen as well, and I do so.

                                          It's just not science, yet.

                                          The alternative is for everyone not to wear one. So you have to weigh the pros and cons of effort vs potential consequences. Consequences of wearing them could be negative for business, for pleasure and for learning.

                                          I think it gets really tricky when the concept of individual liberty gets blended into the analysis…it’s like dropping the mike on the debate.

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