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@doctor-phibes said in 10%:
If only they could all be as honest as Donald Trump, right Jolly?
Listen, you dumb, drunken sheep fucker...I gave you a pretty good insight into why some things are happening in fly-over country. And you come in with a powerful and pithy statement.
Tell ya what you do...Spread some peanut butter on your balls and call the dog in to lick it off, and then piss off, mate. That way, we'll both be happy.
Help me, to help you.
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The point is this: In a time of trouble, either the populace has absolute trust in the government or not. âŚ
So sayeth he who also stated, on many occasions, âall politicians lie all the time.â
No, âabsolute trustâ is bullshit. That makes a cult, not a healthy demoracy.
Jyst don't lie to people.
Yeah, that why public accounting like this is important.
We are dealing with mutations and large amounts of data that takes time to collect, analyze, and verify. If it takes the CDC a few weeks to realize the true value is closer to â10%â than to â1%â, thatâs not a basis for any apologia for vaccine hesitancy.
Dialing into the correct value between â1%â and â10%â I s important, but not as important as actually acknowledging that even â10%â is very good â more than good enough to stop pedaling rhetorics that give others excuses to continue to be vaccine hesitant.
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A few minor quibbles with @Jolly s post, but overall he nailed it. The one thing I would change is some of these folk arenât so simpleâŚ
@89th commented along the lines of âso what if itâs 10% instead of 1%. 10% is great!â and I agree! 10% of the hospitalizations is great! So why are they misleading the public? Well, we both know why. They want to manipulate the truth hoping the false info will get a few more needles in the arm. Thatâs where I have huge fucking problems.
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@doctor-phibes said in 10%:
If only they could all be as honest as Donald Trump, right Jolly?
Listen, you dumb, drunken sheep fucker...I gave you a pretty good insight into why some things are happening in fly-over country. And you come in with a powerful and pithy statement.
Tell ya what you do...Spread some peanut butter on your balls and call the dog in to lick it off, and then piss off, mate. That way, we'll both be happy.
Help me, to help you.
OK, fair enough
I do take your point about lack of trust, however it seems to me that partisanship is also part of it, hence my powerful and pithy statement,
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I agree that the regulatory âbank shotsâ are a bad idea and counterproductive in the end.
And infantilizing.
What do you see as the best path?
I suppose it depends on how one measures the cost of dishonesty and erosion of public trust and respect, against the value of manipulating innumerate or credulous vaccine-hesitant folk into getting vaccinated. It's a difficult question to answer, but there is always something to be said for transparent honesty in messaging. Actually, the value of transparent honesty in messaging is about the only unambiguous thing in the whole equation. But the temptation to bend the truth, in the hopes it'll get more people vaccinated, is always there...
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But Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I wonât pursue.
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I wonât pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, youâre looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for more honesty in messaging. Youâre advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I wonât pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, youâre looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for
more honesty in messaging. Youâre advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
I apologize for that impression. A plan could be to stop the vaccinations and do something different, it could be to offer vaccines and a treatment option, it could be some other hybrid solution.
I donât want to put words in your or anyone else mouth and I wonât presuppose what you are thinking.
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I wonât pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, youâre looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for
more honesty in messaging. Youâre advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
I apologize for that impression. A plan could be to stop the vaccinations and do something different, it could be to offer vaccines and a treatment option, it could be some other hybrid solution.
I donât want to put words in your or anyone else mouth and I wonât presuppose what you are thinking.
Ok so, accept that more honesty from the leaders is a proposal of a plan that some people think will lead to more vaccination.
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The USA has been polio free for about 40 years, it took us about 25 years after the vaccine to get there.
Well, it only took a few years for the massive decline. After that it was waiting for the few remaining cases to fade away. The vaccine was introduced in 1955...
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