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NYT has a tracker for breakthrough rates with hospitalization rates. It’s continually updated.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html
It shows 1% for Louisiana, maybe reporting is significantly lagging? We should know in a few days to a week.
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The approximately 10% we have jibes with the numbers I hear coming from The Lake and BRG.
I know one of the deaths here, was a 30-something female smoker.
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The approximately 10% we have jibes with the numbers I hear coming from The Lake and BRG.
I know one of the deaths here, was a 30-something female smoker.
They need to publish the data or it’s anecdotal. No one can react to anecdotal news, it is really not helpful if it remains in an anecdotal format.
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@lufins-dad said in 10%:
So 90% were unvaccinated. Ok
The point that @Jolly is making is that it’s not the 1% - 3% being claimed by the CDC, NIH, etc… Jolly’s number also matches what we’ve seen in the UK and Israel.
Correct.
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@lufins-dad said in 10%:
So 90% were unvaccinated. Ok
The point that @Jolly is making is that it’s not the 1% - 3% being claimed by the CDC, NIH, etc… Jolly’s number also matches what we’ve seen in the UK and Israel.
If your claim is that the CDC and NIH are lying well that’s the end of the argument.
If 100% of people are vaccinated then 100% of hospitalizations would be vaccinated people. Remind me again of Israel and UK vaccination rates.
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@lufins-dad said in 10%:
So 90% were unvaccinated. Ok
The point that @Jolly is making is that it’s not the 1% - 3% being claimed by the CDC, NIH, etc… Jolly’s number also matches what we’ve seen in the UK and Israel.
If your claim is that the CDC and NIH are lying well that’s the end of the argument.
If 100% of people are vaccinated then 100% of hospitalizations would be vaccinated people. Remind me again of Israel and UK vaccination rates.
Yes, it's not like the CDC or NIH have told us anything not true during this pandemic.
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NYT has a tracker for breakthrough rates with hospitalization rates. It’s continually updated.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html
It shows 1% for Louisiana, maybe reporting is significantly lagging? We should know in a few days to a week.
This is an important website.
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Same numbers of vaccinated?
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/covid-19-vaccination-tracker/
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@lufins-dad said in 10%:
So 90% were unvaccinated. Ok
The point that @Jolly is making is that it’s not the 1% - 3% being claimed by the CDC, NIH, etc… Jolly’s number also matches what we’ve seen in the UK and Israel.
If your claim is that the CDC and NIH are lying well that’s the end of the argument.
If 100% of people are vaccinated then 100% of hospitalizations would be vaccinated people. Remind me again of Israel and UK vaccination rates.
Yes, it's not like the CDC or NIH have told us anything not true during this pandemic.
The irony reveals itself when you find the people that distrust the CDC and NIH, and ask them what they believe it gets surreal very fast.
But when you cant agree on the veracity of the source of the data there is no argument to be had. None.
We are super close to reaching the end of the internet.
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Ok, according to LDH, we currently have 2859 COVID patients in Louisiana hospitals. NYT says 125 of those are vaccinated.
Y'all can do the math. That would give you probably a lower percentage than actually exists, but who's counting?
What it does show is the 1% figure is bullshit, plain and simple.
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Ok, according to LDH, we currently have 2859 COVID patients in Louisiana hospitals. NYT says 125 of those are vaccinated.
Y'all can do the math. That would give you probably a lower percentage than actually exists, but who's counting?
What it does show is the 1% figure is bullshit, plain and simple.
Okay, it’s wrong. I agree it’s 10%. So what am I supposed to think? I can’t divine your intent. 10% doesn’t register anything for me to think about vaccines differently. Educate me.
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@lufins-dad said in 10%:
So 90% were unvaccinated. Ok
The point that @Jolly is making is that it’s not the 1% - 3% being claimed by the CDC, NIH, etc… Jolly’s number also matches what we’ve seen in the UK and Israel.
Correct.
I’m being serious…what is the point? Being vaccinated is 8-25x safer than not being vaccinated. Also aren’t the CDC numbers from mid to late July?
To be clear, our population would benefit from a 2x protection, yet they have a 8-25x protection in the vaccine.
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It feels like there’s this attempt at not trusting the government because something is only 90% effective and not the 95% or 99% they wish you to think. We are in the middle of the worst pandemic of the last century with a 0% effective vaccine a year ago and a 90-99% effective one now and THIS is the debate beach you’re dying on?
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It feels like there’s this attempt at not trusting the government because something is only 90% effective and not the 95% or 99% they wish you to think. We are in the middle of the worst pandemic of the last century with a 0% effective vaccine a year ago and a 90-99% effective one now and THIS is the debate beach you’re dying on?
The stupidity of a lot of these arguments is getting pretty depressing.
It feels as though some people almost want another public health disaster to occur, essentially so they can say '...see, look what electing Joe Biden did!'
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The point is this: In a time of trouble, either the populace has absolute trust in the government or not. There is a large segment of the population that has mistrust in the government, ranging from a mild case to where people can't even stand the goddamn mailman.
I understand these are simple people. People not as sophisticated as Mr. Obama or even some of the people on this board. These people seem to think if somebody lies about something important, they won't hesitate to lie about something else important.
These poor dumb bastards have been told to mask...No, masks don't help...Mask or die...Oh, and since we don't have proper masks, just use an absolutely useless bandana. They were told if they locked down, they'd slow the spread, then they were told they didn't lock down long enough. They've watched their children lose a year of school, their neighbors lose their businesses, and then they watched the virus come right back. They've been told that when 60% or more of the population is vaccinated and/or had natural immunity, we would achieve herd immunity, knowing full damn well that variants would arise and herd immunity was silliness. They've been told if they did take the vaccine, they would be protected from COVID. I guess they didn't read the fine print about the effectiveness of the vaccine against any other variants. Sure, you can give them the song and dance about cross-effectiveness between strains now, but nobody knew bupkiss just a few months ago. And shucks, even today they turn on the tv and there is Dr. Falsi, spouting out some bullshit about effective vaccine levels and societal immunity, when by now, people know he's pulling this stuff out of his ass.
In effect, they know the government is/has lied to them. Even something as simple as the breakthrough infection hospitalization rate. They were told less than 1%. The poor bastards can actually read in the hinterlands and some even have internet access. They see the breakthrough and hospitalization rate in Israel and in the U.K. And they see it ain't less than 1%. Then they turn around, look at what's going on in areas within their own country and the numbers simply do not jibe.
Yet, you expect these people to trust the government about vaccine effectiveness, long term complications and a return to normalcy? And you wonder why you see wide swaths of vaccine hesitancy? Jyst don't lie to people. That's why that 1% vs. 10% figure is important.
I sometimes marvel at how many people have actually taken the jab, fer chrissakes...
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