Interesting Speech
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@jolly said in Interesting Speech:
Functional Family Medicine
He makes some good points, including the idea that vaccines don't prevent infection, they prevent illness. You can be immune and be a spreader.
When I started listening to him, he identified himself as a "Functional Family Medicine physician."
If you google Functional Family Medicine, you'll find some, um, interesting links.
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@jolly said in Interesting Speech:
In 2014 there was an outbreak of Mumps in the National Hockey League. The only people that came down with symptoms were the people who were unvaccinated or unknown vaccine status. Boy that sounds like a great argument for vaccines.
But a question you should ask yourself, knowing that half of the people who came down with symptomatic disease had no contact with an unvaccinated or unknown vaccine status individual, 'Where did they get the disease?'
And the answer was, 'From the vaccinated individuals.'
No vaccine prevents you from getting infection. You get infected. You shed pathogens. This is especially true of viral respiratory pathogens. You just don't get symptomatic from it.
So you cannot stop spread, you cannot make any of these numbers you've planned on get any better by doing any of the things you're doing, because that is the nature of viral respiratory pathogens.This doesn't make sense to me.
Nobody gets smallpox or polio any more. Nobody. Vaccination did that. OK, they're not respiratory, but the vaccination essentially eradicated the diseases.
This is a political speech, IMHO.
I'm no expert, but...
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@doctor-phibes said in Interesting Speech:
@jolly said in Interesting Speech:
In 2014 there was an outbreak of Mumps in the National Hockey League. The only people that came down with symptoms were the people who were unvaccinated or unknown vaccine status. Boy that sounds like a great argument for vaccines.
But a question you should ask yourself, knowing that half of the people who came down with symptomatic disease had no contact with an unvaccinated or unknown vaccine status individual, 'Where did they get the disease?'
And the answer was, 'From the vaccinated individuals.'
No vaccine prevents you from getting infection. You get infected. You shed pathogens. This is especially true of viral respiratory pathogens. You just don't get symptomatic from it.
So you cannot stop spread, you cannot make any of these numbers you've planned on get any better by doing any of the things you're doing, because that is the nature of viral respiratory pathogens.This doesn't make sense to me.
Nobody gets smallpox or polio any more. Nobody. Vaccination did that. OK, they're not respiratory, but the vaccination essentially eradicated the diseases.
This is a political speech, IMHO.
Yes, some is definitely political. (BTW, polio is still out there).
What's interesting is that I think there are some nuggets in there, that bear examining. The mask efficacy is one. Another is the fact that COVID will likely not be eradicated. Another is this crazy summer spike, which is contraindicated for respiratory viruses. Another is the fact that vaccinated individuals are equally capable of being disease transmitters as infected people.
Now, until some of these points are addressed in an honest and workmanlike manner by TPTB, people who naturally think the government is prone to lying to the populance won't trust half of what they hear from the government.
The wife and I were discussing people's attitudes down here towards COVID. After multiple edicts that seemed to flip-flop all over the place, a lack of mortality in people under 50, a lack of morbidity in people in up to twenty years-old, a total disruption of normal life and a fairly high vaccination rate of the most vulnerable, people kinda just threw up their hands and said "Screw it". They want to go out to eat, to go to a bar to hear a live band and have a drink, to attend a sporting event, to attend church.
So, we've got a spike. The hospitals are full. And people don't give a damn. They have resigned themselves to the idea that getting COVID is more a matter of when, not if. I do think some of the deaths (we had a thirty-something in the community die this morning) can drive vaccination rates, but I think people have crossed the Rubicon in respect to lockdowns and restrictions.
Sadly, I think the government is responsible for some of that.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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Regarding masks, I think they were more effective than the naysayers believe and a lot less effective than the true believer thinks. When people started masking, they started being more space conscious and started spending less time in groups in small areas.
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Dealing with seasonality and the outbreak, Florida, LA, and Texas had outbreaks last summer, too. It’s too hot, so people are gathering indoors in the AC. Those three states are driving 80% of the increase. The other factor is Delta is 10 times more transmissible than the original. It just landed in the summer…
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I do believe the biggest mistake by the health authorities during all of this is not confronting obesity and how it affects people with this disease. We should have been told to wash, distance, mask, and drop 5 pounds a month… The second biggest failure was not addressing Vitamin D deficiencies…
I can’t address his Antibodies argument, but that seems highly unlikely to me…
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@jolly said in Interesting Speech:
(BTW, polio is still out there).
It's declined by 99.9%. The vaccination did that. What this person said about vaccines is false, so he's either clueless or he's lying.
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@doctor-phibes said in Interesting Speech:
@jolly said in Interesting Speech:
(BTW, polio is still out there).
It's declined by 99.9%. The vaccination did that. What this person said about vaccines is false, so he's either clueless or he's lying.
In his defense, he specifically points out vaccinations against respiratory disease. Can you point to a truly successful vaccination against any respiratory illnesses?
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@doctor-phibes said in Interesting Speech:
@jolly said in Interesting Speech:
(BTW, polio is still out there).
It's declined by 99.9%. The vaccination did that. What this person said about vaccines is false, so he's either clueless or he's lying.
Where did you get your M.D.? Walmart? Or Target?
You may not agree with everything he's saying, but how effective is that flu shot you get every year?
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@lufins-dad said in Interesting Speech:
@doctor-phibes said in Interesting Speech:
@jolly said in Interesting Speech:
(BTW, polio is still out there).
It's declined by 99.9%. The vaccination did that. What this person said about vaccines is false, so he's either clueless or he's lying.
In his defense, he specifically points out vaccinations against respiratory disease. Can you point to a truly successful vaccination against any respiratory illnesses?
Whooping cough. I know it's not perfect, but it's gone from 200,000 to 10,000.
What this guy is doing is propaganda. He puts in some stuff that may or may not be true, but the underlying message, that vaccines don't work, is bullshit.
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@jolly said in Interesting Speech:
Where did you get your M.D.? Walmart? Or Target?
Ah, the appeal to authority. How ironic.
I'm no expert, but...
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@doctor-phibes said in Interesting Speech:
@jolly said in Interesting Speech:
Where did you get your M.D.? Walmart? Or Target?
Ah, the appeal to authority. How ironic.
Sorry we stepped on your religion.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
Warning: I post things that interest me. Read and comment at your own discretion. -
@doctor-phibes said in Interesting Speech:
@lufins-dad said in Interesting Speech:
@doctor-phibes said in Interesting Speech:
@jolly said in Interesting Speech:
(BTW, polio is still out there).
It's declined by 99.9%. The vaccination did that. What this person said about vaccines is false, so he's either clueless or he's lying.
In his defense, he specifically points out vaccinations against respiratory disease. Can you point to a truly successful vaccination against any respiratory illnesses?
Whooping cough. I know it's not perfect, but it's gone from 200,000 to 10,000.
What this guy is doing is propaganda. He puts in some stuff that may or may not be true, but the underlying message, that vaccines don't work, is bullshit.
Very good. I hadn’t thought of Whooping Cough. I think you are missing his main message, though. His main message is “all of you vaccine skeptics should come to my Alternative Medicine practice. Your insurance won’t cover it, but how important is your health? Payment plans are available, after all, lavender oil is expensive!”
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@jolly said in Interesting Speech:
@doctor-phibes said in Interesting Speech:
@jolly said in Interesting Speech:
Where did you get your M.D.? Walmart? Or Target?
Ah, the appeal to authority. How ironic.
Sorry we stepped on your religion.
You keep trying to make this about me, but it's really not.
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It's a generic you.
You need to look past where this guy is wrong and admit where he may be right. That's the only way you're going to drag a lot of people in fly-over country over the vaccine goal line.
