The Ahmaud Arbery shooting
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:45 last edited by 89th 5 Sept 2020, 02:46
I’d imagine most have heard of this case by now. This summary was one of the first google results, if you haven’t. There’s video too.
Anyway, I admittedly haven’t read many details but I see a lot of friends running in his memory, or upset that Ahmaud was only “out for a jog” when he was shot and killed. My question is...was he really just jogging and this happened? Was there a prior altercation in the moments leading up to the video?
If you watch the video I think either he’s out for a jog, the truck stops in front of him and when the son with the shotgun confronts him he goes into fight/defense mode (and is shot by the dad) which seems to be the case (and main narrative in the press) OR he’s not out on a jog but was running to/from something when he’s confronted by the dad/son.
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:46 last edited by
I haven’t paid any attention yet and have sort of promised myself I wouldn’t. lol
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:50 last edited by
It's safe to say that the MSM has a rich and storied history at this point of painting a picture of these events that bears little resemblance to the reality
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 02:51 last edited by
The headlines imply it’s clear racism of a father/son shooting a jogger because he’s black and there have been burglaries nearby by a black male.
My just initial question was “was he really out on a jog?” In the video he seems to be wearing casual shorts/shirt which doesn’t imply a normal jog, but I am probably wrong.
Maybe I’m just a contrarian when I see a lot of friends on FB jump on the latest outrage train.
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 03:01 last edited by
I suspect that it would be impossible to get an accurate idea of what actually happened by reading the reporting about it. I haven't bothered. I did notice the headline at CNN and thought the use of the word "outraged" was quaint. But I suppose that word still has some clout with someone out there, maybe.
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 03:06 last edited by
I’m sure CNN will flag this as “breaking news” for the next 7 days despite no facts changing.
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 03:15 last edited by
Also who shot the video? Why were they trailing Ahmaud as he ran?
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 06:36 last edited by
@89th I am very conflicted on this one. From what I have heard the jogging was legit. If I heard right someone, maybe the killers, saw him stop at a construction site and this reinforced their thinking. Still, I have wandered in construction sites before because they are cool. So, still legit.
Killers were absolutely wrong to arm up and confront. I heard some good analysis about Georgia's citizen arrest law and you have to have witnessed the crime, so they were out of bounds.
I totally would support them following and calling 911 to let the police do their job.
Obviously they tried to stop Arbery (by their own admission) and he must have kept going and blew them off. So they went ahead, cut him off, and stopped.
But it is also clear from the video that Arbery initiates the struggle for the gun.
What is most chilling though, is the son, after shooting Arbery, walks away without a glance as if he knows he "got him".
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 10:10 last edited by
The difference between what the investigator told the victim's mother and the video is very damning, and when you consider that alongside what the older shooter used to do for a living, well...
What sucks is that almost nobody will interpret the above without their BLM filter. Plenty of people are going to do everything they can to disagree because they're anti-BLM, and I'm sure to get labeled as a supporter of the whole damn "movement" simply because I think it doesn't look good for the shooters or the investigator in this particular story.
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 11:47 last edited by
Most likely a uniformed police officer wouldn’t have arrested a jogger who “looked” like a suspect. I would say these yahoos,but you don’t call murderers that, took the law into their hands scared the shit out of someone. Now he’s dead and they hopefully are going to jail where they belong...and they can think about how many lives they ruined.
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 13:03 last edited by
The fact that the second prosecutor assigned to the case felt that charges weren't warranted is pretty chilling. I wonder what would have happened if this video hadn't gone public.
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 13:54 last edited by
It doesn't make much sense to me that a guy would decide to attack the guy with a shotgun trained on him, despite what the video shows.
Like all such situations, there is a lot more than we are being told and shown. Time will tell.
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wrote on 9 May 2020, 14:51 last edited by Loki 5 Sept 2020, 14:52
From the NYT timeline account and the video he looked like a hunted man and it was premeditated. The struggle looked like someone fighting for their life. I would like to hear a back story that told a different narrative if it exists.
To Aqua’s point BLM should be irrelevant to people’s thinking.
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wrote on 19 May 2020, 18:29 last edited by 89th
Police interaction with him from a few years ago:
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wrote on 19 May 2020, 18:43 last edited by
The one cop who did most of the talking was very reasonable. The other guy not so much, but at least he had out a taser not a Glock. Aubrey escalated. That behavior is exactly why black men get shot by jumpy cops.
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wrote on 22 May 2020, 14:00 last edited by
I don’t really see the relevance. These weren’t law enforcement officers stopping him.
This seems pretty open and shut to me, unless there’s more to this that we haven’t heard. It also sounds like this could (and maybe should) bring down the entire Prosecutor’s Office and some of the Police Force.
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wrote on 22 May 2020, 17:05 last edited by
I heard the guy who shot the video has also been charged with murder.
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wrote on 22 May 2020, 21:49 last edited by
This is a very frustrating situation to me. You have to be so careful in how you word this or you'll (me) end up being called a racist. But there's two stereotypes that are literally coming into play here.. the redneck white boys out to "kill themselves a n______", and the black thug ghetto boy - which is see as the black version of a white redneck.
I don't know enough about the case to express an opinion on who shot John.. But what I see is a black guy switching from being a cooperative adult to a raging ghetto thug and back again, over and over, when some real and professional policemen are dealing with him, and then the latest event where a supposedly decent guy who just happened to be black was depicted as being hunted down by a bunch of redneck white boys.
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. I don't know. I do know that based on his response in the video involving the uniformed officers he had the ability to go total ghetto in a split second, and that's his own fault. Even a racist redneck has the right to defend himself. I sure hope it turns out he wasn't killed because of his race, but this view among many blacks that it's somehow ok to act like a ghetto rat needs to stop too.
