Seems unsustainable and easy to game

[xenon]

@sd-tav said in Seems unsustainable and easy to game:

Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA technology used in the COVID vaccine is warning about ADE - antibody dependent enhancement.
See this article ADE

Interesting article. I'm not an expert so I can't if this ADE issue is specific to mRNA vaccines or vaccines in general.

The crux of it is - if the coronavirus mutates, then the antibody instead of having a neutralizing effect would have an amplifying effect for the virus.

[Horace]

@sd-tav said in Seems unsustainable and easy to game:

Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA technology used in the COVID vaccine is warning about ADE - antibody dependent enhancement.
See this article ADE

Robert Malone is one of the people Bret Weinstein has talked to. Cue @Loki to tell us that Dr Malone is divorced from reality.

On Sam Harris' podcast about Bret and his "mis-information", Sam's guest said that Dr Malone didn't actually invent mRNA. In Bret's rebuttal, he said "yes, he did, I've seen the patents that prove it". That's the level of the he-said-she-said we've come to in the politicized COVID discussion lol. I suspect Dr Malone has some real credentials, myself.

[xenon]

Also - if we do get such a mutation (that is amplified by the current vaccine), then my guess is that a booster vaccine would solve the issue (unless it mutates again).

Rinse-repeat until you beat it.

Better plan, imo, than doing nothing.

EDIT: Science should also be divorced from singular experts. I know nothing about Robert Malone - but he could be interested in getting notoriety by talking about plausible, but unlikely scientific events.

[Catseye3]

In case you're all TL;DR with this, here is what you could call the theme sentence: "I’m just asking that this (vax-antivax) issue be set aside, because in this instance this argument is completely irrelevant . . . a coronavirus vaccine is a highly dangerous undertaking due to a peculiar trojan horse mechanism known as Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE)."

[Axtremus]

@sd-tav said in Seems unsustainable and easy to game:

Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA technology used in the COVID vaccine is warning about ADE - antibody dependent enhancement.
See this article ADE

That article was published on 2020 August 1, before we have mRNA vaccines for COVID-19. Now, we have mRNA vaccines and we have administered it to hundreds of millions of people, some of whom have also subsequently been exposed to SARS-CoV-2. The data shows that that in overwhelming majority of post-vaccination infections, the symptoms are milder among the vaccinated, the hospitalization and death rates are much lower for the vaccinated. These data are the best evidence showing that Malone's ADE theory has not come to pass, at least not for the mRNA vaccines for COVID-19.

Perhaps Malone should update the old article or publish new one where he takes the new data into consideration.

[Horace]

@axtremus said in Seems unsustainable and easy to game:

@sd-tav said in Seems unsustainable and easy to game:

Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA technology used in the COVID vaccine is warning about ADE - antibody dependent enhancement.
See this article ADE

That article was published on 2020 August 1, before we have mRNA vaccines for COVID-19. Now, we have mRNA vaccines and we have administered it to hundreds of millions of people, some of whom have also subsequently been exposed to SARS-CoV-2. The data shows that that in overwhelming majority of post-vaccination infections, the symptoms are milder among the vaccinated, the hospitalization and death rates are much lower for the vaccinated. These data are the best evidence showing that Malone's ADE theory has not come to pass, at least not for the mRNA vaccines for COVID-19.

Perhaps Malone should update the old article or publish new one where he takes the new data into consideration.

He talked to Bret on June 11. I'll have a listen.

[Horace]

@xenon said in Seems unsustainable and easy to game:

EDIT: Science should also be divorced from singular experts. I know nothing about Robert Malone - but he could be interested in getting notoriety by talking about plausible, but unlikely scientific events.

Right. Singular experts shouldn't dictate anything. But if they're quacks, it should be demonstrable, by some means other than "because the consensus says they're quacks. Also they lack empathy".

[xenon]

@horace said in Seems unsustainable and easy to game:

@xenon said in Seems unsustainable and easy to game:

EDIT: Science should also be divorced from singular experts. I know nothing about Robert Malone - but he could be interested in getting notoriety by talking about plausible, but unlikely scientific events.

Right. Singular experts shouldn't dictate anything. But if they're quacks, it should be demonstrable, by some means other than "because the consensus says they're quacks. Also they lack empathy".

Ideally - but when talking about complex systems (the human body, climate, the economy), it's really hard to prove or falsify things.

Case in point - nutrition science. Seems basic - but some highly credible experts say eggs are poisons. Others say it's the best thing ever. Which ones are quacks?

There's a lot of stuff that's still too complex for us to understand. We can only run the stats on it.

[Klaus]

What's going to stop people from getting a vaccine shot every single day?

[jon-nyc]

That’s my fear about gaming. Generally speaking they don’t require ID. Maybe they do for this program.

Even with ID you could definitely walk into a city run site after having been vaccinated at a commercial one. That’s how I got my third.

[89th]

Imagine living in another country right now that is struggling to find vaccines... then looking at our country and seeing a fear that people might be getting it too often! Oh and getting $100 for it each time.

USA FTW lolz

But seriously.