Biles bails at the Olympics
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@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
Just a few weeks ago, she was at an event with a small goat emblem on her uniform. GOAT. Greatest Of All Time. She's complained in interviews (good luck finding them, they're being scrubbed) that she was being judged differently, because she was so good.
God Bless her, she is very good, but the very best rise to the occasion.Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that it would have been somehow worse if she felt able to continue to compete.
Getting on her case though reminds me of the meme jon shared around.
I personally think it would have been better, had she felt able to continue. But I don't understand why it's so important to label her a hero, or a quitter.
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@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
God Bless her, she is very good, but the very best rise to the occasion.
There's no shortage of people who were the very best in any number of fields who also suffered from serious mental illness that stopped them, either temporarily or permanently. You're still assuming you know how bad it was for her. 'Rise to the occasion' is just another word for 'pull themselves together'. If somebody is actually ill, that might not work at all.
Was Bobby Fischer one of the all time great chess players? Yes, he was. But his life and career was destroyed by mental illness. He's still in the top 3-4 of all time.
I'm not saying that Simone Biles is mentally ill - I have absolutely no idea. Neither do any of us.
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Nothing beats a fail, but a try.
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I don’t think we (natinoally) will ever get consensus on Simone. It’s become too politicized and much of it by the left that wants to blame it on “toxic” this or toxic that which sounds suspiciously like CRT.
Interestly those on this forum that are not comfortable with the she went awol theme are not on the “ CRT” bandwagon. And those who think a greatest of all time by definition can’t punt have a point too.
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@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
I didn't mean TNCR, I meant Americans.
If you're liberal, you have to view this as a courageous act from a true hero.
If you're conservative, you have to view this as an act from a quitter who couldn't hack it.
I'm tired of everything becoming a proxy discussion about politics with no one thinking for themselves. I don't want to discuss issues with someone's interpretation of what their echo chamber has concluded, I want to talk to an actual person.
See, that's why my "greatness is overrated" post is so great, it does not lionize or berate the act itself, it does not label anyone a hero or a quitter, it does not proxy any political faction, it does not parrot any particular echo chamber. May be go read it a couple of more times, you might learn to appreciate its true greatness.
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The king is dead. Long live the king...
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/suni-lee-family-wild-olympic-daughter-win-gold
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I can easily see somebody getting a case of the “yips” and in as dangerous a sport as gymnastics, needing to pull out. That being said, she was making multiple mistakes before this and was frankly doing poorly. This feels like somebody that realizes she wasn’t going to medal and decided to drop out.
I’m not saying that’s what it is, but it feels a little like it…
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@lufins-dad said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
I can easily see somebody getting a case of the “yips” and in as dangerous a sport as gymnastics, needing to pull out. That being said, she was making multiple mistakes before this and was frankly doing poorly. This feels like somebody that realizes she wasn’t going to medal and decided to drop out.
I’m not saying that’s what it is, but it feels a little like it…
And therefore would rather give the team every chance to shine, excel and win, right?
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@lufins-dad said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
she was making multiple mistakes before this and was frankly doing poorly.
I wasn't aware of this.
Perhaps her choice to drop out from that competition was the right thing for the team.
That's the opposite of "taking one for the team," right?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@lufins-dad said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
she was making multiple mistakes before this and was frankly doing poorly.
I wasn't aware of this.
Perhaps her choice to drop out from that competition was the right thing for the team.
That's the opposite of "taking one for the team," right?
To drop out is not bad. To drop out when she did, begs multiple questions. As stated previously, the right thing to do would have been after qualifying.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
To drop out is not bad. To drop out when she did, begs multiple questions. As stated previously, the right thing to do would have been after qualifying.
To address LuFin's Dad's point and yours at the same time - when did her performance allegedly begin to decline?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
To drop out is not bad. To drop out when she did, begs multiple questions. As stated previously, the right thing to do would have been after qualifying.
To address LuFin's Dad's point and yours at the same time - when did her performance allegedly begin to decline?
https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2021/05/22/simone-biles-wins-us-classic-gymnastics-results/
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Team USA was awesome in the Olympics. It was another shining moment.
A very strong argument could be made for Simone knowing when to bail to allow that possibility.
I don’t expect everyone or even most people to agree with that statement but it is valid as any other. -
@lufins-dad said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
This feels like somebody that realizes she wasn’t going to medal and decided to drop out.
The Coach: Biles your performance ain't makin' it
Biles: Sorry Coach
The Coach: It's too late for sorry, it's time to quit or be fired
Biles: I quit
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@loki said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
Team USA was awesome in the Olympics. It was another shining moment.
A very strong argument could be made for Simone knowing when to bail to allow that possibility.
I don’t expect everyone or even most people to agree with that statement but it is valid as any other.Team USA took Silver when they were clearly and obviously the favorites going in. Two weeks ago, the question wasn’t whether they would take gold, it was who would battle it out for 2nd and 3rd. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/olympics/ct-olympics-gymnastics-simone-biles-20210725-mzhh64rbp5fbxbfwv6xv5g4ffq-story.html This was a Mike Tyson losing to Buster Douglas moment.
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@lufins-dad said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@loki said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
Team USA was awesome in the Olympics. It was another shining moment.
A very strong argument could be made for Simone knowing when to bail to allow that possibility.
I don’t expect everyone or even most people to agree with that statement but it is valid as any other.Team USA took Silver when they were clearly and obviously the favorites going in. Two weeks ago, the question wasn’t whether they would take gold, it was who would battle it out for 2nd and 3rd. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/olympics/ct-olympics-gymnastics-simone-biles-20210725-mzhh64rbp5fbxbfwv6xv5g4ffq-story.html This was a Mike Tyson losing to Buster Douglas moment.
That’s the beauty in life, we can disagree. I am so happy for those women on the team and how well they did. It was awesome, especially yesterday. The Gold win was stunning.
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It might be prudent to not get into a philosophical exploration about the essence of mental toughness if wearing a mask into 7-eleven is too much. Just sayin'.
Please love yourself.
