Biles bails at the Olympics
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@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
Quit being so tribal.
Yeah it's me.
As I referenced earlier, it's fine for her to withdraw, the question is why wasn't it done earlier?
In other words, "she should have known her limits before she reached them." Doesn't sound reasonable to me to assume anyone can do that with any accuracy.
I think she was confident that she'd be embraced by her culture even after doing what she did. I think that confidence played a role in her decision. I think if she was Japanese or Chinese or Russian etc, she wouldn't have had that confidence, because of the differences in culture. To the extent that politics and culture overlap, there's an easy way to get from reactions to this event, to politics. You don't have to squint too hard.
Education is extremely important.
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@horace said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
I think she was confident that she'd be embraced by her culture even after doing what she did. I think that confidence played a role in her decision. I think if she was Japanese or Chinese or Russian etc, she wouldn't have had that confidence, because of the differences in culture.
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
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All interesting perspectives.
There is a backstory of her dropping out of a major event in 2013, and it has many similar characteristics. Not sure if it is relevant. Also there was much discussion before the incident of assigning less points to her moves because of fear of permanent disability to others that tried it. Finally I am thinking of a pilot who loses orientation in a barrel roll, I think they need to be checked out before they go right back up in the air.
Of course in competition our story is about grit and determination, not abandoning your team or country. I am super competitive so I fully understand that.
In sum I just don’t know.
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She is beyond world class as an athlete. Her life, what she has experienced, the challenges she has met and surpassed, put her beyond facile pigeon-holing.
We can't know, unless we're intimately familiar with her, what values she has acquired and retained and what lessons she has learned and how flawed or how perfected her judgment is. How her very body and its movements affect her every decision.
She ain't like us.
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@loki said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
A new hero has emerged. Don’t want to be a spoiler but what a great success story. Churchillian even.
You can assemble the facts and write your own narrative but the final outcome is part of the American grit, resilience and overcoming the greatest odds story.
Aaack, I'm leaving this thread and all news and social media until I get to watch the all-around competition rebroadcast tonight!
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@loki said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
In sum I just don’t know.
That's my point. None of us do.
I'm happy to give her the benefit of the doubt. It's not like she's harming me in any way.
I don't suppose anybody really cares that much if they're honest, but I could be wrong - if anybody here feels passionately about women's gymnastics, please let go of what you're currently holding and raise your right hand.
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@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
Quit being so tribal.
Yeah it's me.
As I referenced earlier, it's fine for her to withdraw, the question is why wasn't it done earlier?
In other words, "she should have known her limits before she reached them." Doesn't sound reasonable to me to assume anyone can do that with any accuracy.
Just a few weeks ago, she was at an event with a small goat emblem on her uniform. GOAT. Greatest Of All Time. She's complained in interviews (good luck finding them, they're being scrubbed) that she was being judged differently, because she was so good.
God Bless her, she is very good, but the very best rise to the occasion.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
Just a few weeks ago, she was at an event with a small goat emblem on her uniform. GOAT. Greatest Of All Time. She's complained in interviews (good luck finding them, they're being scrubbed) that she was being judged differently, because she was so good.
God Bless her, she is very good, but the very best rise to the occasion.Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that it would have been somehow worse if she felt able to continue to compete.
Getting on her case though reminds me of the meme jon shared around.
I personally think it would have been better, had she felt able to continue. But I don't understand why it's so important to label her a hero, or a quitter.
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@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
God Bless her, she is very good, but the very best rise to the occasion.
There's no shortage of people who were the very best in any number of fields who also suffered from serious mental illness that stopped them, either temporarily or permanently. You're still assuming you know how bad it was for her. 'Rise to the occasion' is just another word for 'pull themselves together'. If somebody is actually ill, that might not work at all.
Was Bobby Fischer one of the all time great chess players? Yes, he was. But his life and career was destroyed by mental illness. He's still in the top 3-4 of all time.
I'm not saying that Simone Biles is mentally ill - I have absolutely no idea. Neither do any of us.
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I don’t think we (natinoally) will ever get consensus on Simone. It’s become too politicized and much of it by the left that wants to blame it on “toxic” this or toxic that which sounds suspiciously like CRT.
Interestly those on this forum that are not comfortable with the she went awol theme are not on the “ CRT” bandwagon. And those who think a greatest of all time by definition can’t punt have a point too.
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@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
I didn't mean TNCR, I meant Americans.
If you're liberal, you have to view this as a courageous act from a true hero.
If you're conservative, you have to view this as an act from a quitter who couldn't hack it.
I'm tired of everything becoming a proxy discussion about politics with no one thinking for themselves. I don't want to discuss issues with someone's interpretation of what their echo chamber has concluded, I want to talk to an actual person.
See, that's why my "greatness is overrated" post is so great, it does not lionize or berate the act itself, it does not label anyone a hero or a quitter, it does not proxy any political faction, it does not parrot any particular echo chamber. May be go read it a couple of more times, you might learn to appreciate its true greatness.
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The king is dead. Long live the king...
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I can easily see somebody getting a case of the “yips” and in as dangerous a sport as gymnastics, needing to pull out. That being said, she was making multiple mistakes before this and was frankly doing poorly. This feels like somebody that realizes she wasn’t going to medal and decided to drop out.
I’m not saying that’s what it is, but it feels a little like it…
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@lufins-dad said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
I can easily see somebody getting a case of the “yips” and in as dangerous a sport as gymnastics, needing to pull out. That being said, she was making multiple mistakes before this and was frankly doing poorly. This feels like somebody that realizes she wasn’t going to medal and decided to drop out.
I’m not saying that’s what it is, but it feels a little like it…
And therefore would rather give the team every chance to shine, excel and win, right?
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@lufins-dad said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
she was making multiple mistakes before this and was frankly doing poorly.
I wasn't aware of this.
Perhaps her choice to drop out from that competition was the right thing for the team.
That's the opposite of "taking one for the team," right?
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