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Good luck getting volunteers in the future.

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #1

    https://www.pix11.com/news/coronavirus/health-workers-that-volunteered-to-come-to-ny-during-pandemic-have-to-pay-state-income-tax-cuomo?fbclid=IwAR19XeNYt3NAMXbC9XUSumBmyFBtjtYqrpe0WOgiSN6ZJuU-j_I_xXKKXhY

    Health care workers that came to New York to help fight the coronavirus pandemic at its epicenter will have to pay state taxes, according to the governor.

    He addressed the issues Tuesday at a news conference.

    "We're not in a position to provide any subsidies right now because we have a $13 billion deficit," Gov. Andrew Cuomo said. "So there's a lot of good things I'd like to do, and if we get federal funding, we can do, but it would be irresponsible for me to sit here looking at a $13 billion deficit and say I'm gonna spend more money, when I can't even pay the essential services."

    Even though the state government asked thousands of people to come to New York from out of state to help fight coronavirus, they will have to pay New York state taxes, even on income they might make from their home states that they're paid while in New York.

    Cuomo said he needs help from Washington in order to cover budget deficits from COVID-19, let alone subsidize state income tax for essential workers that flocked to New York's aid.

    "If we don't get more money from Washington, we can't fund schools, right, so at the rate we want to fund them. We are in dire financial need," he said.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #2

      stretching the definition of "volunteer" there.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
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        #3

        Bad, bad optics. Maybe its his way of saying he doesn't want to be president.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #4

          Why are those bad optics? Who would expect these people not to pay taxes?

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Why are those bad optics? Who would expect these people not to pay taxes?

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            Rich
            wrote on last edited by Rich
            #5

            @jon-nyc

            Not many expect workers not to pay taxes.

            However, New York tends to be much more heavy handed than other states when it comes to requiring people who work in the state for even a very short time (I think essentially from day one) to file a New York state tax return.

            This is something those who plan/attend conventions are pretty well aware of...And we plan to attend, (or not!) and sell goods at conventions based in NY with that states policies in mind. Most healthcare workers are not frequently in this position, and are being caught off guard, making them feel like they just got a nice little 'fuck you' from the state.... "Hey, thanks for answering our desperate pleas for help...Don't forget you get to pay our tax rates, and pay your tax person to file another return!"

            I'll admit-not the most devastating thing in the world, but at least in the short term...bad optics.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              I get the law. I don't even necessarily disagree with it.

              What I don't understand is how it is that these "volunteers" were being paid.

              As Horace points out, to "volunteer" is to give. To get paid is to be employed.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • RichR Offline
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                Rich
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                Perhaps they 'volunteered' to allow themselves to be transferred to a different state in order to help with the virus, similar to how a company opening a new location may look for existing employees to 'volunteer' to be transferred.

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  jon-nyc
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                  #8

                  I think the word volunteer is being used loosely.

                  I think they 'volunteered' to go to NYC for a while to work temporarily. Like having an "all-volunteer' Army.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    I think the word volunteer is being used loosely.

                    I think they 'volunteered' to go to NYC for a while to work temporarily. Like having an "all-volunteer' Army.

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    @jon-nyc which is basically Horace said.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Why are those bad optics? Who would expect these people not to pay taxes?

                      MikM Offline
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                      #10

                      @jon-nyc said in Good luck getting volunteers in the future.:

                      Why are those bad optics? Who would expect these people not to pay taxes?

                      "Even though the state government asked thousands of people to come to New York from out of state to help fight coronavirus, they will have to pay New York state taxes, even on income they might make from their home states that they're paid while in New York."

                      That's fucked up.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • RainmanR Offline
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                        Rainman
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                        #11

                        My wife is an RN, she is, or was, getting emails asking if she had an interest to relocate to hard-hit areas, for $4500/week.

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                        • George KG George K

                          https://www.pix11.com/news/coronavirus/health-workers-that-volunteered-to-come-to-ny-during-pandemic-have-to-pay-state-income-tax-cuomo?fbclid=IwAR19XeNYt3NAMXbC9XUSumBmyFBtjtYqrpe0WOgiSN6ZJuU-j_I_xXKKXhY

                          Health care workers that came to New York to help fight the coronavirus pandemic at its epicenter will have to pay state taxes, according to the governor.

                          He addressed the issues Tuesday at a news conference.

                          "We're not in a position to provide any subsidies right now because we have a $13 billion deficit," Gov. Andrew Cuomo said. "So there's a lot of good things I'd like to do, and if we get federal funding, we can do, but it would be irresponsible for me to sit here looking at a $13 billion deficit and say I'm gonna spend more money, when I can't even pay the essential services."

                          Even though the state government asked thousands of people to come to New York from out of state to help fight coronavirus, they will have to pay New York state taxes, even on income they might make from their home states that they're paid while in New York.

                          Cuomo said he needs help from Washington in order to cover budget deficits from COVID-19, let alone subsidize state income tax for essential workers that flocked to New York's aid.

                          "If we don't get more money from Washington, we can't fund schools, right, so at the rate we want to fund them. We are in dire financial need," he said.

                          CopperC Offline
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                          Copper
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                          @George-K said in Good luck getting volunteers in the future.:

                          "If we don't get more money from Washington, we can't fund schools, right, so at the rate we want to fund them. We are in dire financial need," he said.

                          Stop spending.

                          Balance your budget.

                          Idiot.

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                          • jon-nycJ Online
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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #13

                            It’s not that fucked up. I did it for years as a consultant. Always had multiple state returns.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • jon-nycJ Online
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                              jon-nyc
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                              #14

                              Try to imagine if they had tried to get a change in the tax code through the legislature in time for this.

                              All so that these people wouldn’t lose 5% of their 4500/week for 3-5 weeks.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                It’s not that fucked up. I did it for years as a consultant. Always had multiple state returns.

                                MikM Offline
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                                Mik
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                                @jon-nyc said in Good luck getting volunteers in the future.:

                                It’s not that fucked up. I did it for years as a consultant. Always had multiple state returns.

                                Me too. But I did not have to pay Wisconsin taxes for money I received from Ohio clients.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Loki
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                                  They should pay taxes. They got paid really well and now they want an extra bump? I guess it tells you how people feel about taxes generally but it sounds entitled in this case.

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    @jon-nyc said in Good luck getting volunteers in the future.:

                                    It’s not that fucked up. I did it for years as a consultant. Always had multiple state returns.

                                    Me too. But I did not have to pay Wisconsin taxes for money I received from Ohio clients.

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                                    @Mik said in Good luck getting volunteers in the future.:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Good luck getting volunteers in the future.:

                                    It’s not that fucked up. I did it for years as a consultant. Always had multiple state returns.

                                    Me too. But I did not have to pay Wisconsin taxes for money I received from Ohio clients.

                                    Depends on Wisconsin tax law, whether/how you performed work in Wisconsin, and what interstate compact Ohio might have with Wisconsin, if any.

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      @jon-nyc said in Good luck getting volunteers in the future.:

                                      It’s not that fucked up. I did it for years as a consultant. Always had multiple state returns.

                                      Me too. But I did not have to pay Wisconsin taxes for money I received from Ohio clients.

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      @Mik said in Good luck getting volunteers in the future.:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Good luck getting volunteers in the future.:

                                      It’s not that fucked up. I did it for years as a consultant. Always had multiple state returns.

                                      Me too. But I did not have to pay Wisconsin taxes for money I received from Ohio clients.

                                      I don’t know the specific details but it isn't generally true. Sounds like the press blew up some very special case to try to scratch the ‘nothing’ off of this burger.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        Yea... ya better hope that second wave doesn't hit NYC.

                                        Good luck getting anyone to go...

                                        We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                                        Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                                        • ImprovisoI Improviso

                                          Yea... ya better hope that second wave doesn't hit NYC.

                                          Good luck getting anyone to go...

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                                          @Improviso said in Good luck getting volunteers in the future.:

                                          Yea... ya better hope that second wave doesn't hit NYC.

                                          Good luck getting anyone to go...

                                          You think 5-8% less on 200k annualized will make a difference?

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