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  • L Loki

    @lufins-dad said in Treatments Needed:

    @loki said in Treatments Needed:

    @lufins-dad said in Treatments Needed:

    I wasn’t aware that the US was providing free healthcare to COVID patients. Here I thought it was the patient’s insurance paying for their own care.

    Well of course nothing is free. Most hospitalizations are Medicare and Medicaid so you are funding it one way or another or it gets added to the debt. All anethemas to GOP tax and debt platforms.

    So the majority of the hospitalizations are elderly, and they are using the system that they and their families have paid into every single week for their entire working lives. Got it.

    So let’s just blow it on 20k hospitalizations? I think I must be misunderstanding you.

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    LuFins Dad
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    #11

    @loki said in Treatments Needed:

    @lufins-dad said in Treatments Needed:

    @loki said in Treatments Needed:

    @lufins-dad said in Treatments Needed:

    I wasn’t aware that the US was providing free healthcare to COVID patients. Here I thought it was the patient’s insurance paying for their own care.

    Well of course nothing is free. Most hospitalizations are Medicare and Medicaid so you are funding it one way or another or it gets added to the debt. All anethemas to GOP tax and debt platforms.

    So the majority of the hospitalizations are elderly, and they are using the system that they and their families have paid into every single week for their entire working lives. Got it.

    So let’s just blow it on 20k hospitalizations? I think I must be misunderstanding you.

    I think you misunderstand a whole hell of a lot. “Let’s blow it” are you bitching about money spent on hospitalizations of smokers? Accident victims that weren’t wearing their seatbelts? How about all the billions spent thanks to COPD because people are too fat?

    The Brad

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      @loki said in Treatments Needed:

      @lufins-dad said in Treatments Needed:

      @loki said in Treatments Needed:

      @lufins-dad said in Treatments Needed:

      I wasn’t aware that the US was providing free healthcare to COVID patients. Here I thought it was the patient’s insurance paying for their own care.

      Well of course nothing is free. Most hospitalizations are Medicare and Medicaid so you are funding it one way or another or it gets added to the debt. All anethemas to GOP tax and debt platforms.

      So the majority of the hospitalizations are elderly, and they are using the system that they and their families have paid into every single week for their entire working lives. Got it.

      So let’s just blow it on 20k hospitalizations? I think I must be misunderstanding you.

      I think you misunderstand a whole hell of a lot. “Let’s blow it” are you bitching about money spent on hospitalizations of smokers? Accident victims that weren’t wearing their seatbelts? How about all the billions spent thanks to COPD because people are too fat?

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      Loki
      wrote on last edited by
      #12

      @lufins-dad said in Treatments Needed:

      @loki said in Treatments Needed:

      @lufins-dad said in Treatments Needed:

      @loki said in Treatments Needed:

      @lufins-dad said in Treatments Needed:

      I wasn’t aware that the US was providing free healthcare to COVID patients. Here I thought it was the patient’s insurance paying for their own care.

      Well of course nothing is free. Most hospitalizations are Medicare and Medicaid so you are funding it one way or another or it gets added to the debt. All anethemas to GOP tax and debt platforms.

      So the majority of the hospitalizations are elderly, and they are using the system that they and their families have paid into every single week for their entire working lives. Got it.

      So let’s just blow it on 20k hospitalizations? I think I must be misunderstanding you.

      I think you misunderstand a whole hell of a lot. “Let’s blow it” are you bitching about money spent on hospitalizations of smokers? Accident victims that weren’t wearing their seatbelts? How about all the billions spent thanks to COPD because people are too fat?

      There is a vaccine. It costs nothing. You say in the name of liberty a person has a right to 20k hospitalization cost. Ok. How does that square with your GOP proclivities of not wanting higher taxes to fund that incremental expense or do you just want to add to our debt. It’s a simple math exercise. New expenses, how do they get paid? You say the money is already there, but it isn’t it’s EXTRA expense.

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        Copper
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        #13

        It is covered by insurance. The insurers have it all figured out.

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        • CopperC Copper

          It is covered by insurance. The insurers have it all figured out.

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          Loki
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          #14

          @copper said in Treatments Needed:

          It is covered by insurance. The insurers have it all figured out.

          So funny. You sound like a democrat.

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            Loki
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            #15

            Study shows unvaccinated people 29 times more likely to be hospitalized.

            https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html

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              LuFins Dad
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              #16

              HOLY SHIT! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!

              The Brad

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              • CopperC Copper

                It is covered by insurance. The insurers have it all figured out.

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                Jolly
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                @copper said in Treatments Needed:

                It is covered by insurance. The insurers have it all figured out.

                Actuaries. Some of the smartest people on the planet.

                Not always good at parties...

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  HOLY SHIT! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!

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                  Loki
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #18

                  @lufins-dad said in Treatments Needed:

                  HOLY SHIT! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!

                  Critical nursing shortages around the country. Very pronounced in Texas and Florida.

                  Many reasons but treating avoidable deaths and serious issues has lead to serious burnout.

                  https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/nursing/state-of-the-nursing-shortage-7-notes.html

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                    LuFins Dad
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                    #19

                    Well holy crap! Let’s offer free tickets to a Garth Brooks concert and hide vaccine needles in the seats! That should take care of the problem.

                    The Brad

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                      Jolly
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                      Beancounters. And the government.

                      That's the problem with the current nursing (and it's actually ICU nurses, for the most part) shortage.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • CopperC Copper

                        It is covered by insurance. The insurers have it all figured out.

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                        Loki
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                        #21

                        @copper said in Treatments Needed:

                        It is covered by insurance. The insurers have it all figured out.

                        Turns out you are on to something. Here is Delta’s approach:

                        https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/delta-air-lines-unvaccinated-employees-will-face-200-fees-if-they-dont-get-covid-vaccine.html

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                          Jolly
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                          #22

                          Wife's podiatrist has a different approach...Get vaccinated and get COVID, he'll pay up to 30 days of salary while you're out sick. Do not get vaccinated and get COVID, no salary while you're out.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Horace
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                            #23

                            My company thought outside the box and told everybody that if they don't provide proof of vaccination, they're fired without severance nor ability to file for unemployment.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • L Loki

                              @copper said in Treatments Needed:

                              It is covered by insurance. The insurers have it all figured out.

                              Turns out you are on to something. Here is Delta’s approach:

                              https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/delta-air-lines-unvaccinated-employees-will-face-200-fees-if-they-dont-get-covid-vaccine.html

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                              LuFins Dad
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                              #24

                              @loki said in Treatments Needed:

                              @copper said in Treatments Needed:

                              It is covered by insurance. The insurers have it all figured out.

                              Turns out you are on to something. Here is Delta’s approach:

                              https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/delta-air-lines-unvaccinated-employees-will-face-200-fees-if-they-dont-get-covid-vaccine.html

                              No problem with that at all. $2400 seems a bit much, I would like to see the math, but otherwise it’s fine.

                              The Brad

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                              • HoraceH Horace

                                My company thought outside the box and told everybody that if they don't provide proof of vaccination, they're fired without severance nor ability to file for unemployment.

                                MikM Away
                                MikM Away
                                Mik
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                                #25

                                @horace said in Treatments Needed:

                                My company thought outside the box and told everybody that if they don't provide proof of vaccination, they're fired without severance nor ability to file for unemployment.

                                I would not thin that would fly in California.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • MikM Mik

                                  @horace said in Treatments Needed:

                                  My company thought outside the box and told everybody that if they don't provide proof of vaccination, they're fired without severance nor ability to file for unemployment.

                                  I would not thin that would fly in California.

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                                  Horace
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                                  @mik said in Treatments Needed:

                                  @horace said in Treatments Needed:

                                  My company thought outside the box and told everybody that if they don't provide proof of vaccination, they're fired without severance nor ability to file for unemployment.

                                  I would not thin that would fly in California.

                                  I may be wrong about the unemployment bit. But the lack of severance was justified as due to having been fired for cause. Which I thought disallowed unemployment benefits. But I wouldn't be surprised if I'm mistaken about that.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Loki
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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      @mik said in Treatments Needed:

                                      @horace said in Treatments Needed:

                                      My company thought outside the box and told everybody that if they don't provide proof of vaccination, they're fired without severance nor ability to file for unemployment.

                                      I would not thin that would fly in California.

                                      I may be wrong about the unemployment bit. But the lack of severance was justified as due to having been fired for cause. Which I thought disallowed unemployment benefits. But I wouldn't be surprised if I'm mistaken about that.

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                                      Jolly
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                                      #28

                                      @horace said in Treatments Needed:

                                      @mik said in Treatments Needed:

                                      @horace said in Treatments Needed:

                                      My company thought outside the box and told everybody that if they don't provide proof of vaccination, they're fired without severance nor ability to file for unemployment.

                                      I would not thin that would fly in California.

                                      I may be wrong about the unemployment bit. But the lack of severance was justified as due to having been fired for cause. Which I thought disallowed unemployment benefits. But I wouldn't be surprised if I'm mistaken about that.

                                      Fired for cause negates unemployment benefits down here.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • L Loki

                                        @lufins-dad said in Treatments Needed:

                                        HOLY SHIT! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!

                                        Critical nursing shortages around the country. Very pronounced in Texas and Florida.

                                        Many reasons but treating avoidable deaths and serious issues has lead to serious burnout.

                                        https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/nursing/state-of-the-nursing-shortage-7-notes.html

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #29

                                        @loki said in Treatments Needed:

                                        Critical nursing shortages around the country. Very pronounced in Texas and Florida.
                                        Many reasons but treating avoidable deaths and serious issues has lead to serious burnout.
                                        https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/nursing/state-of-the-nursing-shortage-7-notes.html

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                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Jolly
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                                          Dude...They don't give a shit. Until you turn them away, it's not changing.

                                          Won't happen under this President, but we seriously need to revisit EMTALA.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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