Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Not like Saigon at all.
Jesus...
All flights out of Kabul have been suspended because more people were on the outside of the plane than inside.
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@kluurs said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The left has fun too...
We can play that game all day. How many Talibs were released in exchange for Bowe Bergdahl, five?
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@kluurs said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The left has fun too...
We can play that game all day. How many Talibs were released in exchange for Bowe Bergdahl, five?
To be honest, I don't think this aspect should be a partisan issue. Trump broke with GOP philosophy in wanting to get out of foreign conflicts, and Biden's withdrawal is in-line with this. Letting people out of prison probably isn't the most important question - for every raging fanatic imprisoned, there's five more waiting in the wings to take over.
The real question about the current situation is the rather disastrous tactical implementation. Who on earth planned this cluster?
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The buck stops on Biden's desk.
I predict Blinken will be the fall guy.
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@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
The buck stops on Buddy's desk.
Yeah, I know that. This is disastrous for Biden, and he should be held accountable.
But who actually planned it?
The cynical part of me wonders whether he jumped so soon in the hope that it would all be forgotten by 2024 - not that he's likely to be running at that point.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.
Haha... Pakistanis, our allies???
I wouldn't trust the Pakistanis any further than I could throw Oprah.
@improviso said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.
Haha... Pakistanis, our allies???
I wouldn't trust the Pakistanis any further than I could throw Oprah.
Agreed. But the level of corruption and duplicity is endemic in the Middle East. 83 billion and 20 years to develop Afghan military, we now have a good sense of where the money went.
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I suspect he wanted to get it done as far from November 22 as possible.
I heard yesterday something that made sense to me from one of the ,military advisors over there. We built an army for a nation that doesn’t really exist, at least not as we know if. Afghanistan is fractious, tribal and the levers and centers of power are not that of a modern nation.
@mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
I suspect he wanted to get it done as far from November 22 as possible.
I heard yesterday something that made sense to me from one of the ,military advisors over there. We built an army for a nation that doesn’t really exist, at least not as we know if. Afghanistan is fractious, tribal and the levers and centers of power are not that of a modern nation.
Yes - that rings true. There is zero cultural connection between the regular people living there and a modern, secular state.
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@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
That's why you don't establish one. The people are not ready for it.
How can we even begin to think about nation building when we have our own internecine wars going on?
@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
That's why you don't establish one. The people are not ready for it.
How can we even begin to think about nation building when we have our own internecine wars going on?
Because western cultural indoctrination is superior to theirs. Not that that makes it feasible to establish such a culture. But the superiority remains.
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At least we are respected internationally again.
The Brad
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@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
That's why you don't establish one. The people are not ready for it.
How can we even begin to think about nation building when we have our own internecine wars going on?
Because western cultural indoctrination is superior to theirs. Not that that makes it feasible to establish such a culture. But the superiority remains.
@horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
That's why you don't establish one. The people are not ready for it.
How can we even begin to think about nation building when we have our own internecine wars going on?
Because western cultural indoctrination is superior to theirs. Not that that makes it feasible to establish such a culture. But the superiority remains.
And those inclined to cultural indoctrination will rely on soldiers who hail from their outgroup….how ironic.
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At least we are respected internationally again.
@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
At least we are respected internationally again.
lol
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Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.
Probably winking and smiling.
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.
Probably winking and smiling.
Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'
In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
“When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation."Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.
Probably winking and smiling.
Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'
In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
“When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation.@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
Maybe they should consult with American critical race theorists to guide them through this time. If they get it wrong, they will end up with a permanent victim class that'll end up becoming academics inventing nonsensical theories to explain the culture.
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Nothing about this Afghanistan situation is good... but Biden doesn't have the same fan club that Trump did.
The administration should get criticism from people of all political stripes. I think it'll be refreshing to see all Americans to join in criticism of their leader on this... which used to be normal, rather than it always being tribal.
Maybe I'm being too optimistic.
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