Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal
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wrote on 15 Aug 2021, 23:28 last edited by
Was listening to NPR on the way back from Indy. Apparently Pakistan’s intelligence has orchstrated and supported the Taliban’s rapid takeover.
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Was listening to NPR on the way back from Indy. Apparently Pakistan’s intelligence has orchstrated and supported the Taliban’s rapid takeover.
wrote on 15 Aug 2021, 23:41 last edited by@mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Apparently Pakistan’s intelligence has orchstrated and supported the Taliban’s rapid takeover.
Looking for my shocked face...
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wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 11:51 last edited by
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wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 12:12 last edited by
This debacle ultimately falls on the 80+ million people who elected these idiots. You knew these two were not qualified to sit in these seats but you voted for them anyway, because your TDS was stronger than your intelligence.
Jimmy Carter is smiling today. Why? Because today, he is no longer the worst president ever.
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This debacle ultimately falls on the 80+ million people who elected these idiots. You knew these two were not qualified to sit in these seats but you voted for them anyway, because your TDS was stronger than your intelligence.
Jimmy Carter is smiling today. Why? Because today, he is no longer the worst president ever.
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 12:42 last edited by@improviso said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
This debacle ultimately falls on the 80+ million people who elected these idiots.
The press has been brutal, to be sure.
However, Trump, and Obama before him, made noise about withdrawing. I don't know if it would have been different had they done it. Perhaps it might have been slower, but the actual result would have been pretty much the same.
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@improviso said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
This debacle ultimately falls on the 80+ million people who elected these idiots.
The press has been brutal, to be sure.
However, Trump, and Obama before him, made noise about withdrawing. I don't know if it would have been different had they done it. Perhaps it might have been slower, but the actual result would have been pretty much the same.
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 12:45 last edited by@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Trump, and Obama before him, made noise about withdrawing. I don't know if it would have been different had they done it. Perhaps it might have been slower, but the actual result would have been pretty much the same.
How could it have been otherwise? Mik said the key thing IMO: "There are only two possible outcomes - we stay or we go. Was there any possibility of a positive outcome by staying or had all that could be accomplished been done? It's been 20 years."
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Trump, and Obama before him, made noise about withdrawing. I don't know if it would have been different had they done it. Perhaps it might have been slower, but the actual result would have been pretty much the same.
How could it have been otherwise? Mik said the key thing IMO: "There are only two possible outcomes - we stay or we go. Was there any possibility of a positive outcome by staying or had all that could be accomplished been done? It's been 20 years."
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 12:48 last edited byThe issue is not the withdrawal but the manner in which it was executed. Piss poor planning or lack of ANY planning. Probably the latter.
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The issue is not the withdrawal but the manner in which it was executed. Piss poor planning or lack of ANY planning. Probably the latter.
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 12:53 last edited by@improviso I'm way out of my wheelhouse when I ask this; how should it have been done in your estimation? I ask not to set up a debate, but because I really don't know. Daddy never taught me how to evacuate from a country.
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wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 12:53 last edited by
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.
Haha... Pakistanis, our allies???
I wouldn't trust the Pakistanis any further than I could throw Oprah.
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wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 12:53 last edited by
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@catseye3 said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
how should it have been done in your estimation?
Just off the top of my head...
First and foremost, I would not have telegraphed our intention to leave in 3 months as Biden did. First rule of war: Never tell the enemy what you intend to do.
I would have placed the 5000 troops at the airport to secure it first, rather than deploy them as the Taliban were entering the city.
I would have waited until the winter when the Taliban retreat to Pakistan, rather than in prime fighting season.
I would have had all the visa's ready for all the Afghan's that helped us.
I would have had just a skeleton crew at the Embassy, not the full compliment of Americans as usual.
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@catseye3 said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
how should it have been done in your estimation?
Just off the top of my head...
First and foremost, I would not have telegraphed our intention to leave in 3 months as Biden did. First rule of war: Never tell the enemy what you intend to do.
I would have placed the 5000 troops at the airport to secure it first, rather than deploy them as the Taliban were entering the city.
I would have waited until the winter when the Taliban retreat to Pakistan, rather than in prime fighting season.
I would have had all the visa's ready for all the Afghan's that helped us.
I would have had just a skeleton crew at the Embassy, not the full compliment of Americans as usual.
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:15 last edited by@improviso said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
First and foremost, I would not have telegraphed our intention to leave in 3 months as Biden did.
This sounds so sensible as to be self evident!
I've been wondering: Where were the White House military advisors in all this? Where were the experienced Pentagon voices that would have been able to plan this better? The people whose job it is to provide advice and guidance? Could the decision have been so impulsive and sudden that the smart heads were caught off guard?
I would have placed the 5000 troops at the airport to secure it first, rather than deploy them as the Taliban were entering the city.
I would have had all the visa's ready for all the Afghan's that helped us.
Tough to do all this secretly, though . . .
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wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:22 last edited by Jolly
Folks, Biden is an old man, who cannot work a forty-hour week. He's never been known as an intellectual politician or much of a leader.
The economy, the border crisis, China, Afghanistan...Bless his heart, he's in over his head.
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wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:29 last edited by
One of the leaders of the Taliban spent 7 years in Guantanamo and was released by Obama.
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One of the leaders of the Taliban spent 7 years in Guantanamo and was released by Obama.
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:31 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
One of the leaders of the Taliban spent 7 years in Guantanamo and was released by Obama.
Good thing you posted that here.
If you posted it on Twitter, you'd be banned for life.
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wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:33 last edited by George K
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@improviso said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
First and foremost, I would not have telegraphed our intention to leave in 3 months as Biden did.
This sounds so sensible as to be self evident!
I've been wondering: Where were the White House military advisors in all this? Where were the experienced Pentagon voices that would have been able to plan this better? The people whose job it is to provide advice and guidance? Could the decision have been so impulsive and sudden that the smart heads were caught off guard?
I would have placed the 5000 troops at the airport to secure it first, rather than deploy them as the Taliban were entering the city.
I would have had all the visa's ready for all the Afghan's that helped us.
Tough to do all this secretly, though . . .
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:40 last edited by@catseye3 said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
This sounds so sensible as to be self evident!
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@improviso said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
First and foremost, I would not have telegraphed our intention to leave in 3 months as Biden did.
This sounds so sensible as to be self evident!
I've been wondering: Where were the White House military advisors in all this? Where were the experienced Pentagon voices that would have been able to plan this better? The people whose job it is to provide advice and guidance? Could the decision have been so impulsive and sudden that the smart heads were caught off guard?
I would have placed the 5000 troops at the airport to secure it first, rather than deploy them as the Taliban were entering the city.
I would have had all the visa's ready for all the Afghan's that helped us.
Tough to do all this secretly, though . . .
wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:40 last edited by George K@catseye3 said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Where were the White House military advisors in all this?
Go to 36:00
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wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 14:03 last edited by
I suspect he wanted to get it done as far from November 22 as possible.
I heard yesterday something that made sense to me from one of the ,military advisors over there. We built an army for a nation that doesn’t really exist, at least not as we know if. Afghanistan is fractious, tribal and the levers and centers of power are not that of a modern nation.
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wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 14:10 last edited by
The left has fun too...
