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    Jolly
    wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:22 last edited by Jolly
    #74

    Folks, Biden is an old man, who cannot work a forty-hour week. He's never been known as an intellectual politician or much of a leader.

    The economy, the border crisis, China, Afghanistan...Bless his heart, he's in over his head.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:29 last edited by
      #75

      One of the leaders of the Taliban spent 7 years in Guantanamo and was released by Obama.

      The Brad

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        16 Aug 2021, 13:29

        One of the leaders of the Taliban spent 7 years in Guantanamo and was released by Obama.

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        Improviso
        wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:31 last edited by
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        @lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

        One of the leaders of the Taliban spent 7 years in Guantanamo and was released by Obama.

        Good thing you posted that here.

        If you posted it on Twitter, you'd be banned for life.

        We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
        Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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          George K
          wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:33 last edited by George K
          #77

          "Don't bother me, I'm on vacay!"

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • C Catseye3
            16 Aug 2021, 13:15

            @improviso said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

            First and foremost, I would not have telegraphed our intention to leave in 3 months as Biden did.

            This sounds so sensible as to be self evident!

            I've been wondering: Where were the White House military advisors in all this? Where were the experienced Pentagon voices that would have been able to plan this better? The people whose job it is to provide advice and guidance? Could the decision have been so impulsive and sudden that the smart heads were caught off guard?

            I would have placed the 5000 troops at the airport to secure it first, rather than deploy them as the Taliban were entering the city.

            I would have had all the visa's ready for all the Afghan's that helped us.

            Tough to do all this secretly, though . . .

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            Improviso
            wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:40 last edited by
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            @catseye3 said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

            This sounds so sensible as to be self evident!

            so-simple-even-a-caveman-could-do-it.jpg

            We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
            Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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            • C Catseye3
              16 Aug 2021, 13:15

              @improviso said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

              First and foremost, I would not have telegraphed our intention to leave in 3 months as Biden did.

              This sounds so sensible as to be self evident!

              I've been wondering: Where were the White House military advisors in all this? Where were the experienced Pentagon voices that would have been able to plan this better? The people whose job it is to provide advice and guidance? Could the decision have been so impulsive and sudden that the smart heads were caught off guard?

              I would have placed the 5000 troops at the airport to secure it first, rather than deploy them as the Taliban were entering the city.

              I would have had all the visa's ready for all the Afghan's that helped us.

              Tough to do all this secretly, though . . .

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              George K
              wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 13:40 last edited by George K
              #79

              @catseye3 said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

              Where were the White House military advisors in all this?

              Go to 36:00

              Link to video

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Mik
                wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 14:03 last edited by
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                I suspect he wanted to get it done as far from November 22 as possible.

                I heard yesterday something that made sense to me from one of the ,military advisors over there. We built an army for a nation that doesn’t really exist, at least not as we know if. Afghanistan is fractious, tribal and the levers and centers of power are not that of a modern nation.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  kluurs
                  wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 14:10 last edited by
                  #81

                  The left has fun too...

                  alt text

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 14:13 last edited by
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                    Perhaps the devil you know..

                    I wonder his thoughts on China.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 14:18 last edited by
                      #83

                      Best line of the day, so far: We (the American people) traded mean tweets for gross incompetence.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        kluurs
                        wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 14:21 last edited by kluurs
                        #84

                        The tragedy of the good Afghan folks who supported us - and for the young women allowed education and career opportunities - what a rug to be pulled out from under them. The Taliban don't feel a need for compromise as they have both religious fervor and the power to implement the rules they want - a theocracy. Respect for individual liberty or a diversity of ideas - not so much a priority.

                        For all of our intelligence capabilities, it seems clear that we missed the mark by a long stretch in predicting the speed of the fall. Trump was criticized for his negotiations directly with the Taliban. I've not heard anything about this administration having direct contact with them. It would have been advantageous to negotiate a more orderly withdrawal - though it is certainly possible that we just gave them the middle finger.

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                        • K kluurs
                          16 Aug 2021, 14:21

                          The tragedy of the good Afghan folks who supported us - and for the young women allowed education and career opportunities - what a rug to be pulled out from under them. The Taliban don't feel a need for compromise as they have both religious fervor and the power to implement the rules they want - a theocracy. Respect for individual liberty or a diversity of ideas - not so much a priority.

                          For all of our intelligence capabilities, it seems clear that we missed the mark by a long stretch in predicting the speed of the fall. Trump was criticized for his negotiations directly with the Taliban. I've not heard anything about this administration having direct contact with them. It would have been advantageous to negotiate a more orderly withdrawal - though it is certainly possible that we just gave them the middle finger.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 14:54 last edited by
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                          @kluurs said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                          For all of our intelligence capabilities, it seems clear that we missed the mark by a long stretch

                          Again. Our "intelligence" community (and I say that with a huge dose of irony) looks like the Keystone Kops - but not as funny.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • K kluurs
                            16 Aug 2021, 14:10

                            The left has fun too...

                            alt text

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                            George K
                            wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 14:56 last edited by
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                            @kluurs said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                            The left has fun too...

                            We can play that game all day. How many Talibs were released in exchange for Bowe Bergdahl, five?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • G George K
                              16 Aug 2021, 12:53

                              @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                              Not like Saigon at all.

                              Jesus...

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                              Improviso
                              wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 15:02 last edited by
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                              @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                              @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                              Not like Saigon at all.

                              Jesus...

                              All flights out of Kabul have been suspended because more people were on the outside of the plane than inside.

                              We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                              Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                              • G George K
                                16 Aug 2021, 14:56

                                @kluurs said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                The left has fun too...

                                We can play that game all day. How many Talibs were released in exchange for Bowe Bergdahl, five?

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 15:16 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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                                @george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                @kluurs said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                The left has fun too...

                                We can play that game all day. How many Talibs were released in exchange for Bowe Bergdahl, five?

                                To be honest, I don't think this aspect should be a partisan issue. Trump broke with GOP philosophy in wanting to get out of foreign conflicts, and Biden's withdrawal is in-line with this. Letting people out of prison probably isn't the most important question - for every raging fanatic imprisoned, there's five more waiting in the wings to take over.

                                The real question about the current situation is the rather disastrous tactical implementation. Who on earth planned this cluster?

                                I was only joking

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 15:18 last edited by Jolly
                                  #89

                                  The buck stops on Biden's desk.

                                  I predict Blinken will be the fall guy.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • J Jolly
                                    16 Aug 2021, 15:18

                                    The buck stops on Biden's desk.

                                    I predict Blinken will be the fall guy.

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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 15:20 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                    #90

                                    @jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:

                                    The buck stops on Buddy's desk.

                                    Yeah, I know that. This is disastrous for Biden, and he should be held accountable.

                                    But who actually planned it?

                                    The cynical part of me wonders whether he jumped so soon in the hope that it would all be forgotten by 2024 - not that he's likely to be running at that point.

                                    I was only joking

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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 15:35 last edited by
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                                      Doofusses taking selfies

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                                        xenon
                                        wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 15:39 last edited by
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                                        They gotta be feeling pretty smug

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 16 Aug 2021, 15:41 last edited by
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                                          They have always known we would eventually go away. Everybody else did.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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