Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal
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@mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
I suspect he wanted to get it done as far from November 22 as possible.
I heard yesterday something that made sense to me from one of the ,military advisors over there. We built an army for a nation that doesn’t really exist, at least not as we know if. Afghanistan is fractious, tribal and the levers and centers of power are not that of a modern nation.
Yes - that rings true. There is zero cultural connection between the regular people living there and a modern, secular state.
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That's why you don't establish one. The people are not ready for it.
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@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
That's why you don't establish one. The people are not ready for it.
How can we even begin to think about nation building when we have our own internecine wars going on?
Because western cultural indoctrination is superior to theirs. Not that that makes it feasible to establish such a culture. But the superiority remains.
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At least we are respected internationally again.
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@horace said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@loki said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@jolly said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
That's why you don't establish one. The people are not ready for it.
How can we even begin to think about nation building when we have our own internecine wars going on?
Because western cultural indoctrination is superior to theirs. Not that that makes it feasible to establish such a culture. But the superiority remains.
And those inclined to cultural indoctrination will rely on soldiers who hail from their outgroup….how ironic.
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@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
At least we are respected internationally again.
lol
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.
Probably winking and smiling.
Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'
In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
“When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation."Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
Maybe they should consult with American critical race theorists to guide them through this time. If they get it wrong, they will end up with a permanent victim class that'll end up becoming academics inventing nonsensical theories to explain the culture.
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Nothing about this Afghanistan situation is good... but Biden doesn't have the same fan club that Trump did.
The administration should get criticism from people of all political stripes. I think it'll be refreshing to see all Americans to join in criticism of their leader on this... which used to be normal, rather than it always being tribal.
Maybe I'm being too optimistic.
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@xenon said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Nothing about this Afghanistan situation is good... but Biden doesn't have the same fan club that Trump did.
The administration should get criticism from people of all political stripes. I think it'll be refreshing to see all Americans to join in criticism of their leader on this... which used to be normal, rather than it always being tribal.
Maybe I'm being too optimistic.
Every time a TDS sufferer considers criticizing Biden out loud, their mind fills with the specter of what the other tribe might choose in his place, and their mouths shut faster than Kamala Harris when asked to provide services to a man who can't help her political career.
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@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.
Probably winking and smiling.
Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'
In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
“When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation.Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?
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Imran Khan was a truly outstanding cricketer back when I used to care about that sort of thing, and it has to be said a pretty impressive playboy, but he's a complete douchebag as a Prime Minister.
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@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?
Haven't seen it. Got a link?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
@george-k said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
Gotta wonder what our allies, the Pakistanis think of all this.
Probably winking and smiling.
Pak PM Imran Khan endorses Taliban, says Afghanistan has broken 'shackles of slavery'
In a bid to endorse the Taliban taking over Kabul, Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that Afghanistan has broken the "shackles of slavery" in the neighboring war-torn country.
The Taliban insurgents on Sunday closed in on Kabul before entering the city and taking over the presidential palace, forcing embattled President Ashraf Ghani to flee the country.
Imran Khan was speaking at an event to launch the first phase of Single National Curriculum (SNC) from Grade 1 to 5, which was part of the manifesto of his ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party.
Khan spoke how the parallel education system led to the existence of "English medium" schools, resulting in the adoption of "someone else's culture" in Pakistan.
“When you adopt someone’s culture you believe it to be superior and you end up becoming a slave to it,” he said, adding that it creates a system of mental salves that is worse than the actual slavery.
In the same breath, he indirectly likened the ongoing upheaval in Afghanistan with the people of the country breaking the “shackles of slavery".
Khan said becoming a mental slave was worse than being an actual slave, adding that subjugated minds can never make big decisions.
On multiple occasions, Pakistan has been accused of facilitating the Taliban rebellion which ultimately resulted in the capturing of the country after being ousted about 20 years ago.
Officially Pakistan has maintained that it wanted a broad-based inclusive government in Afghanistan and was also hosting the Afghan leaders to create consensus for a peaceful transformation.Have you read the Indian Ambassador’s statement?
He has balls talking about slavery. Let’s see what happens to all the women in Afghanistan.
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@lufins-dad said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
At least we are respected internationally again.
Ziiinnngg!!!
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Biden's speech was well written. He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.
But that stuff came later after he had desperately tried to tell us why this isn't his fault.
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@mik said in Biden "Forcefully" defends Afghan withdrawal:
He laid it out pretty clearly that he wasn't going to ask American troops to risk their lives fighting a civil war the Afghans would not fight themselves, even as equipped and trained as they were.
Good points. Basically what Trump (and Obama) said. However, his message from last week, "YOYO" seemed pretty tone-deaf.
But, the execution is different from the policy. The execution here has been awful.
Secure your friend, secure your personnel and get the hell out.
This hasn't happened, afaict.
