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What I'd like to know is if this was preventable. Did our security apparatus have any intel that it could credibly happen?
I can see how the dems are doing this in a partisan way... but that's a different issue.
I think there are legitimate questions here. I didn't think a bunch of yahoos could do that to the capitol.
@xenon said in The Commission:
What I'd like to know is if this was preventable. Did our security apparatus have any intel that it could credibly happen?
I can see how the dems are doing this in a partisan way... but that's a different issue.
I think there are legitimate questions here. I didn't think a bunch of yahoos could do that to the capitol.
Most things are preventable, but how much time, effort and money do you wish to allocate to prevention?
For instance, if you are willing to die, you can assassinate almost any public person. To keep that person 100% totally safe would require keeping them in an insufferable bubble of security, and you better hope nobody penetrates your security screening.
As for this particular event, I'm sure there was some chatter out there. But there's always some level of chatter.
Stop and think...If the mob had only walked up the Capitol, screamed slogans, chanted and burned up their Congress Critter's email the next day, would we be having this conversation?
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What I'd like to know is if this was preventable. Did our security apparatus have any intel that it could credibly happen?
I can see how the dems are doing this in a partisan way... but that's a different issue.
I think there are legitimate questions here. I didn't think a bunch of yahoos could do that to the capitol.
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I don't think anybody has normalized anything. I do think people have gained some perspective.
What went on at the Capitol is bad, but it wouldn't make a scab on a good cow's ass when compared to Seattle, Portland or Minnesota.
@jolly said in The Commission:
I don't think anybody has normalized anything. I do think people have gained some perspective.
What went on at the Capitol is bad, but it wouldn't make a scab on a good cow's ass when compared to Seattle, Portland or Minnesota.
We are used to the protesting and riots within cities and states, nothing new there. An attack on the most important symbol of democracy is two next levels up, and I could hear every GOP of days of yore say that.
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@jolly said in The Commission:
I don't think anybody has normalized anything. I do think people have gained some perspective.
What went on at the Capitol is bad, but it wouldn't make a scab on a good cow's ass when compared to Seattle, Portland or Minnesota.
We are used to the protesting and riots within cities and states, nothing new there. An attack on the most important symbol of democracy is two next levels up, and I could hear every GOP of days of yore say that.
@loki said in The Commission:
@jolly said in The Commission:
I don't think anybody has normalized anything. I do think people have gained some perspective.
What went on at the Capitol is bad, but it wouldn't make a scab on a good cow's ass when compared to Seattle, Portland or Minnesota.
We are used to the protesting and riots within cities and states, nothing new there.
So you think the "normalization" of the Capitol riot is the real next-level problem here, while you accept the "normalization" of cities being taken over by the left's civilian armies, simply because one "normal" is newer than the other.
And that's accepting your claim that anybody is accepting as "normal" the Capitol invasion, which is not true of any mainstream opinion I'm aware of.
On the other hand, the broken eggs of cities being burned and looted and taken over by leftists is legit accepted as normal, in the face of the far greater evil of a white cop somewhere in the country doing something terrible to a black person.
An attack on the most important symbol of democracy is two next levels up, and I could hear every GOP of days of yore say that.
if it was a real, planned, military style attack, sure. This was an attack of opportunity, enabled by some unlocked and unguarded doors of this "most important symbol of democracy", by a handful of imbeciles who are paying the heaviest price we as a society can exact on them.
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@jolly said in The Commission:
I don't think anybody has normalized anything. I do think people have gained some perspective.
What went on at the Capitol is bad, but it wouldn't make a scab on a good cow's ass when compared to Seattle, Portland or Minnesota.
We are used to the protesting and riots within cities and states, nothing new there. An attack on the most important symbol of democracy is two next levels up, and I could hear every GOP of days of yore say that.
@loki said in The Commission:
@jolly said in The Commission:
I don't think anybody has normalized anything. I do think people have gained some perspective.
What went on at the Capitol is bad, but it wouldn't make a scab on a good cow's ass when compared to Seattle, Portland or Minnesota.
We are used to the protesting and riots within cities and states, nothing new there. An attack on the most important symbol of democracy is two next levels up, and I could hear every GOP of days of yore say that.
I'm really not used to seeing autonomous zones in U.S. Cities, guarded by people packing weapons.
Is that normal out y'all's way?
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@loki said in The Commission:
@jolly said in The Commission:
I don't think anybody has normalized anything. I do think people have gained some perspective.
What went on at the Capitol is bad, but it wouldn't make a scab on a good cow's ass when compared to Seattle, Portland or Minnesota.
We are used to the protesting and riots within cities and states, nothing new there. An attack on the most important symbol of democracy is two next levels up, and I could hear every GOP of days of yore say that.
I'm really not used to seeing autonomous zones in U.S. Cities, guarded by people packing weapons.
Is that normal out y'all's way?
@jolly said in The Commission:
@loki said in The Commission:
@jolly said in The Commission:
I don't think anybody has normalized anything. I do think people have gained some perspective.
What went on at the Capitol is bad, but it wouldn't make a scab on a good cow's ass when compared to Seattle, Portland or Minnesota.
We are used to the protesting and riots within cities and states, nothing new there. An attack on the most important symbol of democracy is two next levels up, and I could hear every GOP of days of yore say that.
I'm really not used to seeing autonomous zones in U.S. Cities, guarded by people packing weapons.
Is that normal out y'all's way?
Or police stations being abandoned and communities left to fend for themselves against anarchy, all because the media-driven culture was, by and large, supportive of the anarchists.
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@copper said in The Commission:
Or a few doofusses taking selfies.
People that ride the short bus...
The Brad
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@loki said in The Commission:
@jolly said in The Commission:
I don't think anybody has normalized anything. I do think people have gained some perspective.
What went on at the Capitol is bad, but it wouldn't make a scab on a good cow's ass when compared to Seattle, Portland or Minnesota.
We are used to the protesting and riots within cities and states, nothing new there.
So you think the "normalization" of the Capitol riot is the real next-level problem here, while you accept the "normalization" of cities being taken over by the left's civilian armies, simply because one "normal" is newer than the other.
And that's accepting your claim that anybody is accepting as "normal" the Capitol invasion, which is not true of any mainstream opinion I'm aware of.
On the other hand, the broken eggs of cities being burned and looted and taken over by leftists is legit accepted as normal, in the face of the far greater evil of a white cop somewhere in the country doing something terrible to a black person.
An attack on the most important symbol of democracy is two next levels up, and I could hear every GOP of days of yore say that.
if it was a real, planned, military style attack, sure. This was an attack of opportunity, enabled by some unlocked and unguarded doors of this "most important symbol of democracy", by a handful of imbeciles who are paying the heaviest price we as a society can exact on them.
@horace said in The Commission:
@loki said in The Commission:
@jolly said in The Commission:
I don't think anybody has normalized anything. I do think people have gained some perspective.
What went on at the Capitol is bad, but it wouldn't make a scab on a good cow's ass when compared to Seattle, Portland or Minnesota.
We are used to the protesting and riots within cities and states, nothing new there.
So you think the "normalization" of the Capitol riot is the real next-level problem here, while you accept the "normalization" of cities being taken over by the left's civilian armies, simply because one "normal" is newer than the other.
And that's accepting your claim that anybody is accepting as "normal" the Capitol invasion, which is not true of any mainstream opinion I'm aware of.
On the other hand, the broken eggs of cities being burned and looted and taken over by leftists is legit accepted as normal, in the face of the far greater evil of a white cop somewhere in the country doing something terrible to a black person.
An attack on the most important symbol of democracy is two next levels up, and I could hear every GOP of days of yore say that.
if it was a real, planned, military style attack, sure. This was an attack of opportunity, enabled by some unlocked and unguarded doors of this "most important symbol of democracy", by a handful of imbeciles who are paying the heaviest price we as a society can exact on them.
I am right there with you on the cities, I don’t think it’s normal at all and I think they should lock up anarchists but it is an ongoing feature of Americana.
Jan 6 is next level truly but it’s an own goal and the stupidest strategy and to bitch about an own goal doesn’t pass the giggle test.
This is what you wanted Capitol insurrectionists, man up and take the consequences. Lock them up and then apply the same standard to future city riots but equating it to a city riot is bullshit.
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@horace said in The Commission:
@loki said in The Commission:
@jolly said in The Commission:
I don't think anybody has normalized anything. I do think people have gained some perspective.
What went on at the Capitol is bad, but it wouldn't make a scab on a good cow's ass when compared to Seattle, Portland or Minnesota.
We are used to the protesting and riots within cities and states, nothing new there.
So you think the "normalization" of the Capitol riot is the real next-level problem here, while you accept the "normalization" of cities being taken over by the left's civilian armies, simply because one "normal" is newer than the other.
And that's accepting your claim that anybody is accepting as "normal" the Capitol invasion, which is not true of any mainstream opinion I'm aware of.
On the other hand, the broken eggs of cities being burned and looted and taken over by leftists is legit accepted as normal, in the face of the far greater evil of a white cop somewhere in the country doing something terrible to a black person.
An attack on the most important symbol of democracy is two next levels up, and I could hear every GOP of days of yore say that.
if it was a real, planned, military style attack, sure. This was an attack of opportunity, enabled by some unlocked and unguarded doors of this "most important symbol of democracy", by a handful of imbeciles who are paying the heaviest price we as a society can exact on them.
I am right there with you on the cities, I don’t think it’s normal at all and I think they should lock up anarchists but it is an ongoing feature of Americana.
Jan 6 is next level truly but it’s an own goal and the stupidest strategy and to bitch about an own goal doesn’t pass the giggle test.
This is what you wanted Capitol insurrectionists, man up and take the consequences. Lock them up and then apply the same standard to future city riots but equating it to a city riot is bullshit.
@loki said in The Commission:
Jan 6 is next level truly but it’s an own goal and the stupidest strategy and to bitch about an own goal doesn’t pass the giggle test.
Yes, it was an own goal, and the messaging elite on the left love that it happened. They're glad the Capitol doors were unlocked and unguarded.
This is what you wanted Capitol insurrectionists, man up and take the consequences. Lock them up and then apply the same standard to future city riots but equating it to a city riot is bullshit.
Right, city riots and takeovers and abandonments of police stations, all supported by pop culture, are far worse than a small number of universally condemned imbeciles who trespassed into and vandalized the Capitol via unlocked and unguarded doors.
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@loki said in The Commission:
Jan 6 is next level truly but it’s an own goal and the stupidest strategy and to bitch about an own goal doesn’t pass the giggle test.
Yes, it was an own goal, and the messaging elite on the left love that it happened. They're glad the Capitol doors were unlocked and unguarded.
This is what you wanted Capitol insurrectionists, man up and take the consequences. Lock them up and then apply the same standard to future city riots but equating it to a city riot is bullshit.
Right, city riots and takeovers and abandonments of police stations, all supported by pop culture, are far worse than a small number of universally condemned imbeciles who trespassed into and vandalized the Capitol via unlocked and unguarded doors.
@horace said in The Commission:
@loki said in The Commission:
Jan 6 is next level truly but it’s an own goal and the stupidest strategy and to bitch about an own goal doesn’t pass the giggle test.
Yes, it was an own goal, and the messaging elite on the left love that it happened. They're glad the Capitol doors were unlocked and unguarded.
This is what you wanted Capitol insurrectionists, man up and take the consequences. Lock them up and then apply the same standard to future city riots but equating it to a city riot is bullshit.
Right, city riots and takeovers and abandonments of police stations, all supported by pop culture, are far worse than a small number of universally condemned imbeciles who trespassed into and vandalized the Capitol via unlocked and unguarded doors.
Horace isn’t the unlocked doors and mayor ask for no national guard all good but lesser points to the intent of the insurrectists? We have had decades of protests in DC and no one rushed the Capitol so the Capitol police didn’t expect it.
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@horace said in The Commission:
@loki said in The Commission:
Jan 6 is next level truly but it’s an own goal and the stupidest strategy and to bitch about an own goal doesn’t pass the giggle test.
Yes, it was an own goal, and the messaging elite on the left love that it happened. They're glad the Capitol doors were unlocked and unguarded.
This is what you wanted Capitol insurrectionists, man up and take the consequences. Lock them up and then apply the same standard to future city riots but equating it to a city riot is bullshit.
Right, city riots and takeovers and abandonments of police stations, all supported by pop culture, are far worse than a small number of universally condemned imbeciles who trespassed into and vandalized the Capitol via unlocked and unguarded doors.
Horace isn’t the unlocked doors and mayor ask for no national guard all good but lesser points to the intent of the insurrectists? We have had decades of protests in DC and no one rushed the Capitol so the Capitol police didn’t expect it.
@loki said in The Commission:
Horace isn’t the unlocked doors and mayor ask for no national guard all good but lesser points to the intent of the insurrectists?
What was the intent of the "insurrectionists"? Are we to believe that this was a serious attempt at a coup?
Education is extremely important.
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@copper said in The Commission:
Or a few doofusses taking selfies.
People that ride the short bus...
@lufins-dad said in The Commission:
@copper said in The Commission:
Or a few doofusses taking selfies.
People that ride the short bus...
Great patriots who were reacting to an election victory that was viciously stripped away.
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@loki said in The Commission:
Horace isn’t the unlocked doors and mayor ask for no national guard all good but lesser points to the intent of the insurrectists?
What was the intent of the "insurrectionists"? Are we to believe that this was a serious attempt at a coup?
@horace said in The Commission:
@loki said in The Commission:
Horace isn’t the unlocked doors and mayor ask for no national guard all good but lesser points to the intent of the insurrectists?
What was the intent of the "insurrectionists"? Are we to believe that this was a serious attempt at a coup?
No but a mob mentality put things at high risk. What if a Senator, let’s say AOC was cornered, what might have happened? What about the fear they put into the Capitol Police?
They wanted to stop the vote, in that sense it was an attempted coup of the rule of law.
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@horace said in The Commission:
@loki said in The Commission:
Horace isn’t the unlocked doors and mayor ask for no national guard all good but lesser points to the intent of the insurrectists?
What was the intent of the "insurrectionists"? Are we to believe that this was a serious attempt at a coup?
No but a mob mentality put things at high risk. What if a Senator, let’s say AOC was cornered, what might have happened? What about the fear they put into the Capitol Police?
They wanted to stop the vote, in that sense it was an attempted coup of the rule of law.
@loki said in The Commission:
@horace said in The Commission:
@loki said in The Commission:
Horace isn’t the unlocked doors and mayor ask for no national guard all good but lesser points to the intent of the insurrectists?
What was the intent of the "insurrectionists"? Are we to believe that this was a serious attempt at a coup?
No but a mob mentality put things at high risk. What if a Senator, let’s say AOC was cornered, what might have happened? What about the fear they put into the Capitol Police?
They wanted to stop the vote, in that sense it was an attempted coup of the rule of law.
No, they wanted the vote to stop. There is a difference. And what do I think would have happened if they would have cornered AOC? Not nearly as much as what happened when Steve Scalise was cornered by a Bernie Bro a few years ago.
Here's the thing... Potential violence doesn't compare to actual violence. Congressmen that got their panties in a knot does not compare with the men and women that have had their businesses and lives destroyed in Portland. The young ladies that have been assaulted and raped at these autonomous zones would likely not agree with your assessment that it wasn't as bad as these asshats on January 6th.
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There is no way of preventing Portland or CHAZ type riots, since the culture accepts them as basically just and the backlash against attempting to combat them would be severe and widespread. That's why there was no response. Meanwhile we are more than happy to combat "Capitol insurrections" now that we're on alert about them. Yet the "Capitol insurrection" is the real threat? An insurrection that could have been easily prevented with basic security measures?
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@loki said in The Commission:
Horace isn’t the unlocked doors and mayor ask for no national guard all good but lesser points to the intent of the insurrectists?
What was the intent of the "insurrectionists"? Are we to believe that this was a serious attempt at a coup?
@horace said in The Commission:
@loki said in The Commission:
Horace isn’t the unlocked doors and mayor ask for no national guard all good but lesser points to the intent of the insurrectists?
What was the intent of the "insurrectionists"? Are we to believe that this was a serious attempt at a coup?
The intent of the insurrectionists - and to me, that term is even a bit of a stretch - was not clear, even to them, as they marched towards the Capitol. What they were incensed about, was the belief that America had not had a fair election. That the Constitution had not been followed. One man, one vote.
I'll take that any day over anarchy or over some socialistic version of the Autonomous Zone.
So no, I don't think a passle of idiots at the Capitol comes close to equating a true armed insurrection and riots in other American cities.
