Meanwhile, in Lokiville...
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wrote on 10 May 2021, 13:19 last edited by Renauda 5 Oct 2021, 13:58
Just stop it and listen. No government here is telling people "no" to their religion or beliefs.
We trying to prevent the collapse of our public heath care system amid a third wave of this pandemic. The provincial government rightly or wrongly has put in place some short term rules the public must follow. Why is that? Think about it.
I understand you don't like our universal health care system and would be happy to see it fail. Fine, that's your prerogative. But stop hiding behind what you refer to as freedom of religion in your hope and desire to see the front line delivery of health care here collapse.
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wrote on 10 May 2021, 14:51 last edited by Copper 5 Oct 2021, 14:51
I think the problem is inconsistent enforcement of inconsistent rules.
A court later ruled that Coates would not be allowed to challenge the constitutional validity of Alberta’s Public Health Act during his trial on May 3 and 4, and that the government were not required to offer scientific evidence justifying the public health order.
The judge also reportedly allowed Coates’ prosecutor to remain anonymous. -
I think the problem is inconsistent enforcement of inconsistent rules.
A court later ruled that Coates would not be allowed to challenge the constitutional validity of Alberta’s Public Health Act during his trial on May 3 and 4, and that the government were not required to offer scientific evidence justifying the public health order.
The judge also reportedly allowed Coates’ prosecutor to remain anonymous.wrote on 10 May 2021, 15:24 last edited by@copper said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
I think the problem is inconsistent enforcement of inconsistent rules.
A court later ruled that Coates would not be allowed to challenge the constitutional validity of Alberta’s Public Health Act during his trial on May 3 and 4, and that the government were not required to offer scientific evidence justifying the public health order.
The judge also reportedly allowed Coates’ prosecutor to remain anonymous.I think you are right. Imagine if the pastor were black, do we think a show/staged take down would have happened?
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@copper said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
I think the problem is inconsistent enforcement of inconsistent rules.
A court later ruled that Coates would not be allowed to challenge the constitutional validity of Alberta’s Public Health Act during his trial on May 3 and 4, and that the government were not required to offer scientific evidence justifying the public health order.
The judge also reportedly allowed Coates’ prosecutor to remain anonymous.I think you are right. Imagine if the pastor were black, do we think a show/staged take down would have happened?
wrote on 10 May 2021, 15:25 last edited by@loki said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
@copper said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
I think the problem is inconsistent enforcement of inconsistent rules.
A court later ruled that Coates would not be allowed to challenge the constitutional validity of Alberta’s Public Health Act during his trial on May 3 and 4, and that the government were not required to offer scientific evidence justifying the public health order.
The judge also reportedly allowed Coates’ prosecutor to remain anonymous.I think you are right. Imagine if the pastor were black, do we think a show/staged take down would have happened?
@Renauda, what do you think?
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I think the problem is inconsistent enforcement of inconsistent rules.
A court later ruled that Coates would not be allowed to challenge the constitutional validity of Alberta’s Public Health Act during his trial on May 3 and 4, and that the government were not required to offer scientific evidence justifying the public health order.
The judge also reportedly allowed Coates’ prosecutor to remain anonymous.wrote on 10 May 2021, 15:54 last edited by Renauda 5 Oct 2021, 15:56@copper said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
I think the problem is inconsistent enforcement of inconsistent rules.
Precisely. You nailed it and that is the fault of the provincial government in articulating and enforcing its own rules with any consistency all along.
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@loki said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
@copper said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
I think the problem is inconsistent enforcement of inconsistent rules.
A court later ruled that Coates would not be allowed to challenge the constitutional validity of Alberta’s Public Health Act during his trial on May 3 and 4, and that the government were not required to offer scientific evidence justifying the public health order.
The judge also reportedly allowed Coates’ prosecutor to remain anonymous.I think you are right. Imagine if the pastor were black, do we think a show/staged take down would have happened?
@Renauda, what do you think?
wrote on 10 May 2021, 15:55 last edited by@horace said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
@loki said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
@copper said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
I think the problem is inconsistent enforcement of inconsistent rules.
A court later ruled that Coates would not be allowed to challenge the constitutional validity of Alberta’s Public Health Act during his trial on May 3 and 4, and that the government were not required to offer scientific evidence justifying the public health order.
The judge also reportedly allowed Coates’ prosecutor to remain anonymous.I think you are right. Imagine if the pastor were black, do we think a show/staged take down would have happened?
@Renauda, what do you think?
I don't care. It's not about race. The pastor was non compliant. Full stop.
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@horace said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
@loki said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
@copper said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
I think the problem is inconsistent enforcement of inconsistent rules.
A court later ruled that Coates would not be allowed to challenge the constitutional validity of Alberta’s Public Health Act during his trial on May 3 and 4, and that the government were not required to offer scientific evidence justifying the public health order.
The judge also reportedly allowed Coates’ prosecutor to remain anonymous.I think you are right. Imagine if the pastor were black, do we think a show/staged take down would have happened?
@Renauda, what do you think?
I don't care. It's not about race. The pastor was non compliant. Full stop.
wrote on 10 May 2021, 15:56 last edited by@renauda said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
@horace said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
@loki said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
@copper said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
I think the problem is inconsistent enforcement of inconsistent rules.
A court later ruled that Coates would not be allowed to challenge the constitutional validity of Alberta’s Public Health Act during his trial on May 3 and 4, and that the government were not required to offer scientific evidence justifying the public health order.
The judge also reportedly allowed Coates’ prosecutor to remain anonymous.I think you are right. Imagine if the pastor were black, do we think a show/staged take down would have happened?
@Renauda, what do you think?
I don't care. It's not about race. The pastor was non compliant. Full stop.
The question was whether you think it would have happened if the pastor had been black, not your own personal opinion about what ought to happen.
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@renauda said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
@horace said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
@loki said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
@copper said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
I think the problem is inconsistent enforcement of inconsistent rules.
A court later ruled that Coates would not be allowed to challenge the constitutional validity of Alberta’s Public Health Act during his trial on May 3 and 4, and that the government were not required to offer scientific evidence justifying the public health order.
The judge also reportedly allowed Coates’ prosecutor to remain anonymous.I think you are right. Imagine if the pastor were black, do we think a show/staged take down would have happened?
@Renauda, what do you think?
I don't care. It's not about race. The pastor was non compliant. Full stop.
The question was whether you think it would have happened if the pastor had been black, not your own personal opinion about what ought to happen.
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wrote on 10 May 2021, 16:03 last edited by
@renauda said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
Yes he would have been taken down regardless. And rightly so.
In the US, no way.
The Pastor was clearly looking for a fight and he was obliged with a full mighty public display and perp walk. I think you can find fault on both sides, for most people it’s simply a matter of which side you are on so they know which talking points to give you.
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@renauda said in Meanwhile, in Lokiville...:
Yes he would have been taken down regardless. And rightly so.
In the US, no way.
The Pastor was clearly looking for a fight and he was obliged with a full mighty public display and perp walk. I think you can find fault on both sides, for most people it’s simply a matter of which side you are on so they know which talking points to give you.
wrote on 10 May 2021, 16:08 last edited by Renauda 5 Oct 2021, 22:16I am no fan of the provincial government either here or Ontario. But I do respect the police and the work they do.
There's good reason to for the public to follow the rules and the authorities enforce the rules when the public is in defiance:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-covid-coronavirus-may-10-1.6020370