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    Copper
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    #99

    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_020321/

    Half (50%) of the public plans to get the Covid vaccine as soon as they are allowed. Those willing to be at the front of the line represent a majority of American adults when combined with the 6% who report already receiving the vaccine. Another 19% say they would prefer to let other people get it first to see how it goes. However, 24% say it is likely they will never get the vaccine if they can avoid it.

    Democrats are most eager to get the vaccine as soon as possible (72% when combined with those who already got the vaccine) – much more so than independents (51%) and Republicans (39%). More than 4 in 10 Republicans (42%) say they will avoid ever getting the vaccine if they can, which is significantly higher than the number of independents (25%) and Democrats (10%) who feel the same.

    Demographically, Americans aged 65 and older are more likely to be first in line for the vaccine (67% want to get it as soon as they are allowed or have already received it) than younger adults (52%). Those under age 65 (27%) are somewhat more likely than seniors (16%) to say they will never get the vaccine. These differences shift dramatically, though, when filtered through the lens of partisanship.

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    • CopperC Offline
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      #100

      The vaccine is a democrat

      The masks are democrats

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      • HoraceH Horace

        It's my understanding that certain minority groups who are reliably Democrat are not big fans of vaccination.

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        Loki
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        #101

        @horace said in Vaccine Rollout:

        It's my understanding that certain minority groups who are reliably Democrat are not big fans of vaccination.

        I acknowledged that group but based on being sub human experiments versus tribal political thinking. And as Brooks said in the piece, this for the country and it’s a simple trip to pharmacy.

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          #102

          New cases are down 39% from 30 days ago and deaths are down 68% from days ago. There are still between 1.7 million to 2.4 million people each day getting their vax. So sorry it doesn't match your or Mr. Brooks expectations.

          The Brad

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @loki said in Vaccine Rollout:

            We have an extended family member who wouldn’t get vaccinated, think young. We all told that person, that’s fine but don’t come around. That fixed it.

            Wouldn't it just be easier to chase them down on the street and shoot them?

            It's a two-fer. You put everybody out of their misery at once.

            RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
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            #103

            @jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:

            @loki said in Vaccine Rollout:

            We have an extended family member who wouldn’t get vaccinated, think young. We all told that person, that’s fine but don’t come around. That fixed it.

            Wouldn't it just be easier to chase them down on the street and shoot them?

            It's a two-fer. You put everybody out of their misery at once.

            Just an old fashioned shunning would suffice.

            Elbows up!

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #104

              I'm not going to shun them. Most people won't. Besides, who do you know who to shun?

              Maybe we could make them wear a Scarlet "V" or maybe a yellow armband of some kind.

              Visuals are cool...

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                I'm not going to shun them. Most people won't. Besides, who do you know who to shun?

                Maybe we could make them wear a Scarlet "V" or maybe a yellow armband of some kind.

                Visuals are cool...

                Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Doctor Phibes
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                #105

                @jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:

                I'm not going to shun them. Most people won't. Besides, who do you know who to shun?

                Maybe we could make them wear a Scarlet "V" or maybe a yellow armband of some kind.

                Visuals are cool...

                Anti-vaxxers in London have been wearing the Star of David, so they're way ahead of you in claiming victim status. Assholes.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:

                  I'm not going to shun them. Most people won't. Besides, who do you know who to shun?

                  Maybe we could make them wear a Scarlet "V" or maybe a yellow armband of some kind.

                  Visuals are cool...

                  Anti-vaxxers in London have been wearing the Star of David, so they're way ahead of you in claiming victim status. Assholes.

                  HoraceH Online
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                  Horace
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                  #106

                  @doctor-phibes said in Vaccine Rollout:

                  @jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:

                  I'm not going to shun them. Most people won't. Besides, who do you know who to shun?

                  Maybe we could make them wear a Scarlet "V" or maybe a yellow armband of some kind.

                  Visuals are cool...

                  Anti-vaxxers in London have been wearing the Star of David, so they're way ahead of you in claiming victim status. Assholes.

                  Developing countries will often have primitive belief systems. Once western education and cultural norms are in place, you'll see that those cultures will slowly begin to resemble first world cultures. But for the purposes of this discussion, I think we should be focusing on current first world cultures.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    #107

                    I’d be bitter if I lived in California, too

                    I was only joking

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #108

                      Geez, you live in New England. How much more bitter can one man be?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        I'm not going to shun them. Most people won't. Besides, who do you know who to shun?

                        Maybe we could make them wear a Scarlet "V" or maybe a yellow armband of some kind.

                        Visuals are cool...

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                        Renauda
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                        #109

                        @jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:

                        I'm not going to shun them. Most people won't. Besides, who do you know who to shun?

                        Well then you go right ahead and chase them down the street and shoot them. I don't think it is necessary and you'll get yourself into a heap of trouble.

                        I would just give family members, friends, acquaintances and strangers who come out as anti-vax or Covid conspiracy subscribers the cold shoulder. It suffices, they get the message and stay away.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          #110

                          First rule of medicine...Patients lie.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            If you are okay in the future with periodic lockdowns, temporary closing of businesses, less than full capacity at those businesses which are open, remote schooling for the kids, travel restrictions, etc. dont get vaccinated.

                            If the above bothers you, please get vaccinated.

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                            • JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #112

                              Nope, not gonna happen.

                              Economies simply can't take many more protracted lockdowns, so you're going to have to deal with the virus. Besides, the vaccine does not give you immunity. You can - and many will - catch COVID after being vaccinated.

                              Remote schooling has been a disaster and kids don't carry the virus that well, anyway.

                              Would you shut the world's economy down for the common cold virus? The two viruses are related, you know.

                              I think with vaccination...BTW, if you really want to have some fun, herd Americans up and mandate vaccinations at the end of a bayonet, which is what it would take in the short term...Anyway, with vaccination, I think you can keep the virus down to a manageable level. Unless something radically changes, I don't think we will eradicate it.

                              For that, we can thank all of our Chinese friends down at the lab who weaponized this and then let it out the door...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                If you are okay in the future with periodic lockdowns, temporary closing of businesses, less than full capacity at those businesses which are open, remote schooling for the kids, travel restrictions, etc. dont get vaccinated.

                                If the above bothers you, please get vaccinated.

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #113

                                @taiwan_girl said in Vaccine Rollout:

                                If you are okay in the future with periodic lockdowns, temporary closing of businesses, less than full capacity at those businesses which are open, remote schooling for the kids, travel restrictions, etc. dont get vaccinated.

                                If the above bothers you, please get vaccinated.

                                Oh, that's coming no matter what. SARS 2002, H5N1 (Bird Flu) 2005, H1N1 2009, MERS 2012, 2014-2016 Ebola... Every couple of years a bug breaks through and causes a major scare. The next time a new virus breaks out (and it will, a virus has to virus, it's what they do), expect to see shutdowns and all the rest... Your COVID Vax is not going to stop that from happening. In November of 2022 somebody will sneeze and have a fever in Estonia, the doctors won't be able to nail down the virus, and off we go...

                                The Brad

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  Nope, not gonna happen.

                                  Economies simply can't take many more protracted lockdowns, so you're going to have to deal with the virus. Besides, the vaccine does not give you immunity. You can - and many will - catch COVID after being vaccinated.

                                  Remote schooling has been a disaster and kids don't carry the virus that well, anyway.

                                  Would you shut the world's economy down for the common cold virus? The two viruses are related, you know.

                                  I think with vaccination...BTW, if you really want to have some fun, herd Americans up and mandate vaccinations at the end of a bayonet, which is what it would take in the short term...Anyway, with vaccination, I think you can keep the virus down to a manageable level. Unless something radically changes, I don't think we will eradicate it.

                                  For that, we can thank all of our Chinese friends down at the lab who weaponized this and then let it out the door...

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #114

                                  @jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:

                                  Nope, not gonna happen.

                                  Besides, the vaccine does not give you immunity. You can - and many will - catch COVID after being vaccinated.

                                  And THAT is where your vaccine-resistant strain will come from.

                                  The antibiotic-resistant bacteria didn't develop from people not taking antibiotics...

                                  The Brad

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    And this tendency to refer to people as Anti-Vax is inaccurate and hurting your cause. Most people I know aren't 100% either way. Most that are waiting are simply waiting. They want to see how it goes. I know of more than one person planning on going in July, they just wanted to give it 6 months to see if there were any obvious health risks that appeared.

                                    By the way, regarding the switch to PCP's and regular healthcare providers for the vaccine? https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2106137

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      And this tendency to refer to people as Anti-Vax is inaccurate and hurting your cause. Most people I know aren't 100% either way. Most that are waiting are simply waiting. They want to see how it goes. I know of more than one person planning on going in July, they just wanted to give it 6 months to see if there were any obvious health risks that appeared.

                                      By the way, regarding the switch to PCP's and regular healthcare providers for the vaccine? https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2106137

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                                      Loki
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                                      @lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:

                                      And this tendency to refer to people as Anti-Vax is inaccurate and hurting your cause. Most people I know aren't 100% either way. Most that are waiting are simply waiting. They want to see how it goes. I know of more than one person planning on going in July, they just wanted to give it 6 months to see if there were any obvious health risks that appeared.

                                      There are only a couple of groups who won’t take the vaccine so I am not buying the watch and wait. It’s mostly political, sorry , but the data shows it.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #117

                                        And data is never wrong.😉

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          First rule of medicine...Patients lie.

                                          MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
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                                          #118

                                          @jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:

                                          First rule of medicine...Patients lie.

                                          Like rugs.

                                          Never understood that. How can you get a good diagnosis from bad information? Counterproductive.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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