Vaccine Rollout
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@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
there is a faction that cannot articulate a cogent reason to not take the vaccine.
You can decide on the cogency
Snopes says these reasons are full of lies, pretty harsh for snopes (snopes is a liar too)
A list found on the interwebs:
- Vaccine makers are immune from liability
- The checkered past of vaccine companies
- Ugly history of attempts to make coronavirus vaccines
- The ‘data gaps’ submitted to FDA by vaccine makers
- No access to raw data from trials
- No long-term safety testing
- No informed consent
- Under-reporting of adverse reactions and deaths
- The vaccines don’t stop transmission or infection
- People are catching COVID after being fully vaccinated
- Overall death rate from COVID
- Bloated COVID death numbers
- Fauci and others at NIAID own patents on the Moderna vaccine
- Fauci is on the hot seat for illegal gain-of-function research
- The virus continues to mutate
- Censorship and the complete absence of scientific debate
- World’s leading vaccinologist is sounding the alarm
- I already had COVID
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@copper said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
there is a faction that cannot articulate a cogent reason to not take the vaccine.
You can decide on the cogency
Snopes says these reasons are full of lies, pretty harsh for snopes (snopes is a liar too)
A list found on the interwebs:
- Vaccine makers are immune from liability
- The checkered past of vaccine companies
- Ugly history of attempts to make coronavirus vaccines
- The ‘data gaps’ submitted to FDA by vaccine makers
- No access to raw data from trials
- No long-term safety testing
- No informed consent
- Under-reporting of adverse reactions and deaths
- The vaccines don’t stop transmission or infection
- People are catching COVID after being fully vaccinated
- Overall death rate from COVID
- Bloated COVID death numbers
- Fauci and others at NIAID own patents on the Moderna vaccine
- Fauci is on the hot seat for illegal gain-of-function research
- The virus continues to mutate
- Censorship and the complete absence of scientific debate
- World’s leading vaccinologist is sounding the alarm
- I already had COVID
And yet 147 million people have taken at least one dose, one of the biggest databases of all time and we can look at cold hard facts of cases and deaths and opening our economy and opportunity to slow the stimulus. So maybe all those people will grow a fin on their head in a year or have mutant children but if that’s the case it’s already over.
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@horace said in Vaccine Rollout:
Do you think a few people not wanting to take the vaccine will affect the re-opening of the society, Loki?
At this point I think it doesn’t. What I worry about is the longer the virus is around the more it mutates and the possibility of having an emergency booster shot roll out sooner than we are ready and another round of cases and deaths. Also having to read and debate Covid and vaccines is exhausting and the thought of another round of every country heard from is just exhausting.
So I want to go to back to pre-pandemic living and make sure it’s in our rear view mirror.
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@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
And if your primary concern is Vaccine resistant variants, even if you had 100% vaccination in the US, there are still billions of unvaccinated out there. Forcing vaccination wouldn’t accomplish anything yet.
If you can’t even get vaccinated you really have decided to give society the middle finger and without logical reasoning. It’s effort to listen to anything that person has to say after they have made that choice. In fact I won’t anymore.
Your choice, but who is the bigger idiot?
Some things are self evident and the smartest people on the planet with subject matter expertise are all in alignment and then there is a faction that cannot articulate a cogent reason ro not take the vaccine. As I’ve said before, when you jump the shark that hard you are going to lose the edge of your base who listened on a number of topics and now are revisiting every conspiracy theory and alt news as malarkey.
Let me give you some immutable, unassailable facts:
- Not everybody is going to be vaccinated. Ever.
- Viruses mutate. What works this year may not work next year.
- COVID is here for the foreseeable future.
- The available vaccines do not protect you from catching COVID. Therefore, the chance exists.
- Some people cannot take the vaccine. Period.
Now, some opinions...
- One cannot live a good life constantly filled with fear. Every action in life contains risk, either physical, emotional or both. One weighs the risks and then you proceed. I went to a gospel singing last Friday night. It was a blessing and I enjoyed the fool out of myself. Was everybody in there vaccinated? No, they weren't.
- The world is not going to wait to resume normal life. We are going to accept COVID deaths as normal, and just get on with it. Doesn't mean those deaths or illnesses are less tragic. It just means they will be a normal facet of life. One wag said that would be when COVID deaths were less than those from heart disease.
- When you start cutting family out over a vaccination, you didn't have much in the way of family to begin with.
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@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
And if your primary concern is Vaccine resistant variants, even if you had 100% vaccination in the US, there are still billions of unvaccinated out there. Forcing vaccination wouldn’t accomplish anything yet.
If you can’t even get vaccinated you really have decided to give society the middle finger and without logical reasoning. It’s effort to listen to anything that person has to say after they have made that choice. In fact I won’t anymore.
Your choice, but who is the bigger idiot?
Some things are self evident and the smartest people on the planet with subject matter expertise are all in alignment and then there is a faction that cannot articulate a cogent reason ro not take the vaccine. As I’ve said before, when you jump the shark that hard you are going to lose the edge of your base who listened on a number of topics and now are revisiting every conspiracy theory and alt news as malarkey.
Let me give you some immutable, unassailable facts:
- Not everybody is going to be vaccinated. Ever.
- Viruses mutate. What works this year may not work next year.
- COVID is here for the foreseeable future.
- The available vaccines do not protect you from catching COVID. Therefore, the chance exists.
- Some people cannot take the vaccine. Period.
Now, some opinions...
- One cannot live a good life constantly filled with fear. Every action in life contains risk, either physical, emotional or both. One weighs the risks and then you proceed. I went to a gospel singing last Friday night. It was a blessing and I enjoyed the fool out of myself. Was everybody in there vaccinated? No, they weren't.
- The world is not going to wait to resume normal life. We are going to accept COVID deaths as normal, and just get on with it. Doesn't mean those deaths or illnesses are less tragic. It just means they will be a normal facet of life. One wag said that would be when COVID deaths were less than those from heart disease.
- When you start cutting family out over a vaccination, you didn't have much in the way of family to begin with.
My point of view has always been informed by keeping the economy open as much as possible, that is on record. I’ve never let fear rule my life. As far as family goes I understand what you said based on what I said but I have always said family comes first and we handled the outlier and brought that person to their senses. We don’t believe in enablement and it’s the family’s obligation to correct errant thinking baecause no one else will and competition with social media is getting fierce.
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@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
And if your primary concern is Vaccine resistant variants, even if you had 100% vaccination in the US, there are still billions of unvaccinated out there. Forcing vaccination wouldn’t accomplish anything yet.
If you can’t even get vaccinated you really have decided to give society the middle finger and without logical reasoning. It’s effort to listen to anything that person has to say after they have made that choice. In fact I won’t anymore.
Your choice, but who is the bigger idiot?
Some things are self evident and the smartest people on the planet with subject matter expertise are all in alignment and then there is a faction that cannot articulate a cogent reason ro not take the vaccine. As I’ve said before, when you jump the shark that hard you are going to lose the edge of your base who listened on a number of topics and now are revisiting every conspiracy theory and alt news as malarkey.
Let me give you some immutable, unassailable facts:
- Not everybody is going to be vaccinated. Ever.
- Viruses mutate. What works this year may not work next year.
- COVID is here for the foreseeable future.
- The available vaccines do not protect you from catching COVID. Therefore, the chance exists.
- Some people cannot take the vaccine. Period.
Now, some opinions...
- One cannot live a good life constantly filled with fear. Every action in life contains risk, either physical, emotional or both. One weighs the risks and then you proceed. I went to a gospel singing last Friday night. It was a blessing and I enjoyed the fool out of myself. Was everybody in there vaccinated? No, they weren't.
- The world is not going to wait to resume normal life. We are going to accept COVID deaths as normal, and just get on with it. Doesn't mean those deaths or illnesses are less tragic. It just means they will be a normal facet of life. One wag said that would be when COVID deaths were less than those from heart disease.
- When you start cutting family out over a vaccination, you didn't have much in the way of family to begin with.
My point of view has always been informed by keeping the economy open as much as possible, that is on record. I’ve never let fear rule my life. As far as family goes I understand what you said based on what I said but I have always said family comes first and we handled the outlier and brought that person to their senses. We don’t believe in enablement and it’s the family’s obligation to correct errant thinking baecause no one else will and competition with social media is getting fierce.
That's not enablement, that's coercion.
Big difference.
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@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
And if your primary concern is Vaccine resistant variants, even if you had 100% vaccination in the US, there are still billions of unvaccinated out there. Forcing vaccination wouldn’t accomplish anything yet.
If you can’t even get vaccinated you really have decided to give society the middle finger and without logical reasoning. It’s effort to listen to anything that person has to say after they have made that choice. In fact I won’t anymore.
Your choice, but who is the bigger idiot?
Some things are self evident and the smartest people on the planet with subject matter expertise are all in alignment and then there is a faction that cannot articulate a cogent reason ro not take the vaccine. As I’ve said before, when you jump the shark that hard you are going to lose the edge of your base who listened on a number of topics and now are revisiting every conspiracy theory and alt news as malarkey.
Let me give you some immutable, unassailable facts:
- Not everybody is going to be vaccinated. Ever.
- Viruses mutate. What works this year may not work next year.
- COVID is here for the foreseeable future.
- The available vaccines do not protect you from catching COVID. Therefore, the chance exists.
- Some people cannot take the vaccine. Period.
Now, some opinions...
- One cannot live a good life constantly filled with fear. Every action in life contains risk, either physical, emotional or both. One weighs the risks and then you proceed. I went to a gospel singing last Friday night. It was a blessing and I enjoyed the fool out of myself. Was everybody in there vaccinated? No, they weren't.
- The world is not going to wait to resume normal life. We are going to accept COVID deaths as normal, and just get on with it. Doesn't mean those deaths or illnesses are less tragic. It just means they will be a normal facet of life. One wag said that would be when COVID deaths were less than those from heart disease.
- When you start cutting family out over a vaccination, you didn't have much in the way of family to begin with.
My point of view has always been informed by keeping the economy open as much as possible, that is on record. I’ve never let fear rule my life. As far as family goes I understand what you said based on what I said but I have always said family comes first and we handled the outlier and brought that person to their senses. We don’t believe in enablement and it’s the family’s obligation to correct errant thinking baecause no one else will and competition with social media is getting fierce.
That's not enablement, that's coercion.
Big difference.
I meant enablement as enabling thinking about it all wrong. It’s one’s duty to challenge defective thinking. Heck I could be wrong the vaccine could be bad and my body my choice might be the right way to think of it.
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One huge problem with people, is that when they hear the word "vaccine" , they think of something like smallpox, measles or polio...Vaccines that provide immunity against a disease.
None of the COVID vaccines will do that...
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Education is extremely important.
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@horace said in Vaccine Rollout:
I'm getting my first Moderna shot next week. If I die from complications, I am going to sue their asses off.
Most people do fine. If your siblings had no problems, you probably won't have any problems. If your siblings did have issues, monitor yourself closely.
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I had my second Pfizer yesterday.
I have to say, I have felt better. I may need to go to bed after this morning's pointless meeting.
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@doctor-phibes said in Vaccine Rollout:
I had my second Pfizer yesterday.
I have to say, I have felt better. I may need to go to bed after this morning's pointless meeting.
In my life I have never heard more 4-12 hours I felt miserable but finally have an excuse and audience stories than at any time of my life. Your boo boo will be better by the end of the day. Lol
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David Brooks nailed everything I have been trying to say and yes we are pathetic.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/06/opinion/herd-immunity-us.html
We’re not asking you to storm the beaches of Iwo Jima; we’re asking you to walk into a damn CVS.
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@horace said in Vaccine Rollout:
Brooks' psyche crumbled under the weight of Trump, but his penchant for giving eloquent voice to mainstream virtue has come in handy this time.
Very true, but so many of the American public have crumbled to pure allegiance to their ingroup where facts were not even in the back seat.
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@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@horace said in Vaccine Rollout:
Brooks' psyche crumbled under the weight of Trump, but his penchant for giving eloquent voice to mainstream virtue has come in handy this time.
Very true, but so many of the American public have crumbled to pure allegiance to their ingroup where facts were not even in the back seat.
I don't think there's much of an in-group for those who don't want to get vaccinated. Only a personal detail they all share in common.
But the MSM would love for all of us to believe that anti-vax is a conservative thing.
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@horace said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@horace said in Vaccine Rollout:
Brooks' psyche crumbled under the weight of Trump, but his penchant for giving eloquent voice to mainstream virtue has come in handy this time.
Very true, but so many of the American public have crumbled to pure allegiance to their ingroup where facts were not even in the back seat.
I don't think there's much of an in-group for those who don't want to get vaccinated. Only a personal detail they all share in common.
But the MSM would love for all of us to believe that anti-vax is a conservative thing.
Anti vax is irrational based on different brain encoding: Vulnerable populations that were abused as populations, the young and invisible, the flat earther types and the hard core Trumpsters. They all look to their thought leaders for how to think and the more pure they are in adhering to the rituals the more reward and status they get.
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I've said it before, that being anti-vaccination in general (not just Covid) is where the left wingnuts and the right wingnuts seem to find agreement. The left wingnuts blame it all on Big Pharma and big business being evil to get rich, the right wingnuts blame it all on Big Government being evil to take control of us.
