Vaccine Rollout
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@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
We have an extended family member who wouldn’t get vaccinated, think young. We all told that person, that’s fine but don’t come around. That fixed it.
Wouldn't it just be easier to chase them down on the street and shoot them?
It's a two-fer. You put everybody out of their misery at once.
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@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
It’s time to get the vaccines into the hands of Primary Care Physicians. These are people’s trusted doctors who can talk to these hesitant people individually.
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How many PCPs work out of a place that has a fridge good enough too store Pfizer vaccines at -70ºC? The Moderna one needs a fridge at -20ºC.
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Statistically, among those who have PCPs, they see their PCPs maybe once or twice a year. Half the people have their next "annual" visits scheduled more than six months out. (Heck, you might have better luck doing it via dental offices because those who have dental insurance usually get their teeth cleaned by a hygienist twice a year.)
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Many hospital systems, clinics, and PCP offices are already quite active in sending out communications advising their patients to get vaccinated. Beyond that, if you the PCP to talk one-on-one to individual patients, you would be bottle-necked by point 2. above.
If there are PCP offices who can do it and want to do it, by all means let them get the vaccine kits and let them do it. But on the grand scheme of things I just don't see PCP offices as the most effective places to proactively distribute vaccines to.
-20C is not uncommon. Pretty much any medical lab and most pharmacies have a freezer that runs in the -20 to -30 range. And you can find dry ice anywhere.
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And the -40 has shown to be unnecessary by Pfizer. Even so, it’s a simple solution, turn the state run Van centers into distribution points. Instead of administering 2000 shots per day, distribute 4000 doses per day to local physicians.
As for the timing, the numbers of people receiving the vaccine are starting to drop and that drop will plummet over the next month. Physicians are the most likely to convince their patients that the vaccine is safe...Not some government social media campaign...
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A five cubic foot chest freezer is $179 at Sam's. Those will easily do -10 to about -15.
Cannot be a frost free freezer, is about the biggest requirement, other than the ability to reach temp. The freezer will have to be monitired...That's a $45 digital thermometer with the probe in a small bottle of glycerin, and the ability to show the high and low temp. Have somebody log the temp each morning, and check off that the high temp was not exceeded.
Viola! Vaccine access at your local doc...
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It’s a ridiculous argument at this point anyway. There are millions of doses of vaccine that require no special refrigeration, it is simple enough to acquire the vaccines that do require it, and who better to talk to the reticent?
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@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
It’s a ridiculous argument at this point anyway. There are millions of doses of vaccine that require no special refrigeration, it is simple enough to acquire the vaccines that do require it, and who better to talk to the reticent?
Preach on, brother!
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@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
We have an extended family member who wouldn’t get vaccinated, think young. We all told that person, that’s fine but don’t come around. That fixed it.
Wouldn't it just be easier to chase them down on the street and shoot them?
It's a two-fer. You put everybody out of their misery at once.
We thought about an honor killing. But seriously defective brains need to nipped in the bud… wouldn’t want that individual to have to live a life of idiosyncratic anti social thoughts.
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And if your primary concern is Vaccine resistant variants, even if you had 100% vaccination in the US, there are still billions of unvaccinated out there. Forcing vaccination wouldn’t accomplish anything yet.
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@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
And if your primary concern is Vaccine resistant variants, even if you had 100% vaccination in the US, there are still billions of unvaccinated out there. Forcing vaccination wouldn’t accomplish anything yet.
If you can’t even get vaccinated you really have decided to give society the middle finger and without logical reasoning. It’s effort to listen to anything that person has to say after they have made that choice. In fact I won’t anymore.
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@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
And if your primary concern is Vaccine resistant variants, even if you had 100% vaccination in the US, there are still billions of unvaccinated out there. Forcing vaccination wouldn’t accomplish anything yet.
If you can’t even get vaccinated you really have decided to give society the middle finger and without logical reasoning. It’s effort to listen to anything that person has to say after they have made that choice. In fact I won’t anymore.
Your choice, but who is the bigger idiot?
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@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
And if your primary concern is Vaccine resistant variants, even if you had 100% vaccination in the US, there are still billions of unvaccinated out there. Forcing vaccination wouldn’t accomplish anything yet.
If you can’t even get vaccinated you really have decided to give society the middle finger and without logical reasoning. It’s effort to listen to anything that person has to say after they have made that choice. In fact I won’t anymore.
Your choice, but who is the bigger idiot?
Some things are self evident and the smartest people on the planet with subject matter expertise are all in alignment and then there is a faction that cannot articulate a cogent reason ro not take the vaccine. As I’ve said before, when you jump the shark that hard you are going to lose the edge of your base who listened on a number of topics and now are revisiting every conspiracy theory and alt news as malarkey.
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Got my second shot a couple of hours ago.
I already felt morally superior to pretty much everybody, so it hasn't really affected me.
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@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
there is a faction that cannot articulate a cogent reason to not take the vaccine.
You can decide on the cogency
Snopes says these reasons are full of lies, pretty harsh for snopes (snopes is a liar too)
A list found on the interwebs:
- Vaccine makers are immune from liability
- The checkered past of vaccine companies
- Ugly history of attempts to make coronavirus vaccines
- The ‘data gaps’ submitted to FDA by vaccine makers
- No access to raw data from trials
- No long-term safety testing
- No informed consent
- Under-reporting of adverse reactions and deaths
- The vaccines don’t stop transmission or infection
- People are catching COVID after being fully vaccinated
- Overall death rate from COVID
- Bloated COVID death numbers
- Fauci and others at NIAID own patents on the Moderna vaccine
- Fauci is on the hot seat for illegal gain-of-function research
- The virus continues to mutate
- Censorship and the complete absence of scientific debate
- World’s leading vaccinologist is sounding the alarm
- I already had COVID
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@copper said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
there is a faction that cannot articulate a cogent reason to not take the vaccine.
You can decide on the cogency
Snopes says these reasons are full of lies, pretty harsh for snopes (snopes is a liar too)
A list found on the interwebs:
- Vaccine makers are immune from liability
- The checkered past of vaccine companies
- Ugly history of attempts to make coronavirus vaccines
- The ‘data gaps’ submitted to FDA by vaccine makers
- No access to raw data from trials
- No long-term safety testing
- No informed consent
- Under-reporting of adverse reactions and deaths
- The vaccines don’t stop transmission or infection
- People are catching COVID after being fully vaccinated
- Overall death rate from COVID
- Bloated COVID death numbers
- Fauci and others at NIAID own patents on the Moderna vaccine
- Fauci is on the hot seat for illegal gain-of-function research
- The virus continues to mutate
- Censorship and the complete absence of scientific debate
- World’s leading vaccinologist is sounding the alarm
- I already had COVID
And yet 147 million people have taken at least one dose, one of the biggest databases of all time and we can look at cold hard facts of cases and deaths and opening our economy and opportunity to slow the stimulus. So maybe all those people will grow a fin on their head in a year or have mutant children but if that’s the case it’s already over.
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@horace said in Vaccine Rollout:
Do you think a few people not wanting to take the vaccine will affect the re-opening of the society, Loki?
At this point I think it doesn’t. What I worry about is the longer the virus is around the more it mutates and the possibility of having an emergency booster shot roll out sooner than we are ready and another round of cases and deaths. Also having to read and debate Covid and vaccines is exhausting and the thought of another round of every country heard from is just exhausting.
So I want to go to back to pre-pandemic living and make sure it’s in our rear view mirror.
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@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
And if your primary concern is Vaccine resistant variants, even if you had 100% vaccination in the US, there are still billions of unvaccinated out there. Forcing vaccination wouldn’t accomplish anything yet.
If you can’t even get vaccinated you really have decided to give society the middle finger and without logical reasoning. It’s effort to listen to anything that person has to say after they have made that choice. In fact I won’t anymore.
Your choice, but who is the bigger idiot?
Some things are self evident and the smartest people on the planet with subject matter expertise are all in alignment and then there is a faction that cannot articulate a cogent reason ro not take the vaccine. As I’ve said before, when you jump the shark that hard you are going to lose the edge of your base who listened on a number of topics and now are revisiting every conspiracy theory and alt news as malarkey.
Let me give you some immutable, unassailable facts:
- Not everybody is going to be vaccinated. Ever.
- Viruses mutate. What works this year may not work next year.
- COVID is here for the foreseeable future.
- The available vaccines do not protect you from catching COVID. Therefore, the chance exists.
- Some people cannot take the vaccine. Period.
Now, some opinions...
- One cannot live a good life constantly filled with fear. Every action in life contains risk, either physical, emotional or both. One weighs the risks and then you proceed. I went to a gospel singing last Friday night. It was a blessing and I enjoyed the fool out of myself. Was everybody in there vaccinated? No, they weren't.
- The world is not going to wait to resume normal life. We are going to accept COVID deaths as normal, and just get on with it. Doesn't mean those deaths or illnesses are less tragic. It just means they will be a normal facet of life. One wag said that would be when COVID deaths were less than those from heart disease.
- When you start cutting family out over a vaccination, you didn't have much in the way of family to begin with.
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@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
And if your primary concern is Vaccine resistant variants, even if you had 100% vaccination in the US, there are still billions of unvaccinated out there. Forcing vaccination wouldn’t accomplish anything yet.
If you can’t even get vaccinated you really have decided to give society the middle finger and without logical reasoning. It’s effort to listen to anything that person has to say after they have made that choice. In fact I won’t anymore.
Your choice, but who is the bigger idiot?
Some things are self evident and the smartest people on the planet with subject matter expertise are all in alignment and then there is a faction that cannot articulate a cogent reason ro not take the vaccine. As I’ve said before, when you jump the shark that hard you are going to lose the edge of your base who listened on a number of topics and now are revisiting every conspiracy theory and alt news as malarkey.
Let me give you some immutable, unassailable facts:
- Not everybody is going to be vaccinated. Ever.
- Viruses mutate. What works this year may not work next year.
- COVID is here for the foreseeable future.
- The available vaccines do not protect you from catching COVID. Therefore, the chance exists.
- Some people cannot take the vaccine. Period.
Now, some opinions...
- One cannot live a good life constantly filled with fear. Every action in life contains risk, either physical, emotional or both. One weighs the risks and then you proceed. I went to a gospel singing last Friday night. It was a blessing and I enjoyed the fool out of myself. Was everybody in there vaccinated? No, they weren't.
- The world is not going to wait to resume normal life. We are going to accept COVID deaths as normal, and just get on with it. Doesn't mean those deaths or illnesses are less tragic. It just means they will be a normal facet of life. One wag said that would be when COVID deaths were less than those from heart disease.
- When you start cutting family out over a vaccination, you didn't have much in the way of family to begin with.
My point of view has always been informed by keeping the economy open as much as possible, that is on record. I’ve never let fear rule my life. As far as family goes I understand what you said based on what I said but I have always said family comes first and we handled the outlier and brought that person to their senses. We don’t believe in enablement and it’s the family’s obligation to correct errant thinking baecause no one else will and competition with social media is getting fierce.
