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  • L Loki

    I watched the entire video. It is quite clear for a full 4 minutes he has stopped moving. People are screaming he’s not responsive and the cops did nothing with the knee still on the neck.

    4 minutes. Didn’t even check for a pulse. Seriously?

    Watch the entire video. For sure there was a big struggle but the last 4 minutes the knee was on a non-responsive man’s neck.

    If I were a juror I could never get around those 4 minutes.

    Link to video

    Minutes 17 to 21.

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    @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

    I watched the entire video. It is quite clear for a full 4 minutes he has stopped moving. People are screaming he’s not responsive and the cops did nothing with the knee still on the neck.

    4 minutes. Didn’t even check for a pulse. Seriously?

    Watch the entire video. For sure there was a big struggle but the last 4 minutes the knee was on a non-responsive man’s neck.

    If I were a juror I could never get around those 4 minutes.

    Link to video

    Minutes 17 to 21.

    I agree with you, but I don't think I can watch the video.

    I was only joking

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      @Loki I agree and have been pretty vocal about my condemnation. If you’re going to support police in general, then you can’t and shouldn’t try to explain away or condone such an egregious case of abuse. This guy needs to you away for 15-20 on manslaughter charges.

      Unfortunately, he will ultimately win his appeal thanks to the fomenting of civil unrest by our public officials.

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        @Loki I agree and have been pretty vocal about my condemnation. If you’re going to support police in general, then you can’t and shouldn’t try to explain away or condone such an egregious case of abuse. This guy needs to you away for 15-20 on manslaughter charges.

        Unfortunately, he will ultimately win his appeal thanks to the fomenting of civil unrest by our public officials.

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        @lufins-dad said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

        he will ultimately win his appeal thanks to the fomenting of civil unrest by our public officials

        And the judge's denial for a change of venue.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          What I also don’t like is the near canonization of Floyd.

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            What I also don’t like is the near canonization of Floyd.

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            George K
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            @lufins-dad

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            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Celebrate! Good times! C'mon!

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Mik

                All three. I really thought they'd split the baby.

                I'm not sure the justice system worked. I think the jurors simply knew what would happen if they did not go that way. Their lives were in jeopardy.

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                @mik said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                All three. I really thought they'd split the baby.

                I'm not sure the justice system worked. I think the jurors simply knew what would happen if they did not go that way. Their lives were in jeopardy.

                The justice system did not work at all.

                1. The venue was not changed.
                2. The jury was not sequestered. They heard every word Maxine said.
                3. Even Biden weighed in before the unsequestered jury came in.
                4. I thought guilty on all three was a bit much.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  #20

                  Even Barr quashed a plea deal where Chauvin agreed to go to prison for 10 years. It’s clear as day that Chauvin had his knee on the neck of an unresponsive mentally ill man. When the police not only don’t protect you from dying but stays on the neck for 4 minutes after he stops moving, it tells me you just never watched the video.

                  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ag-barr-quashed-plea-deal-fired-officer-derek-chauvin-george-n1257457

                  This is getting silly.

                  Now the overreach on “systemic racism”, and defund the police, that’s a worthy topic of debate.

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                  • L Loki

                    Even Barr quashed a plea deal where Chauvin agreed to go to prison for 10 years. It’s clear as day that Chauvin had his knee on the neck of an unresponsive mentally ill man. When the police not only don’t protect you from dying but stays on the neck for 4 minutes after he stops moving, it tells me you just never watched the video.

                    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ag-barr-quashed-plea-deal-fired-officer-derek-chauvin-george-n1257457

                    This is getting silly.

                    Now the overreach on “systemic racism”, and defund the police, that’s a worthy topic of debate.

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                    @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                    Now the overreach on “systemic racism”, and defund the police, that’s a worthy topic of debate.

                    Good point. Had Floyd been of a different color race, do you think that the cop would have behaved in the same way?

                    @Loki said:

                    on the neck of an unresponsive mentally ill man

                    I'm not sure he was mentally ill, but the toxicology suggests that he was impaired/intoxicated.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      It was amazing to watch how emotionally wrapped up (as people rejoiced in the streets, cried, etc) in something that has ZERO effect on their lives.

                      I was surprised he was found guilty on the 3rd degree murder, but maybe I misunderstood the criteria to convict on that one.

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                      • 89th8 89th

                        It was amazing to watch how emotionally wrapped up (as people rejoiced in the streets, cried, etc) in something that has ZERO effect on their lives.

                        I was surprised he was found guilty on the 3rd degree murder, but maybe I misunderstood the criteria to convict on that one.

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                        @89th said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                        ZERO effect on their lives.

                        I think it is the same effect as winning a super bowl.

                        You still have to go to work on Monday, but your team won the game.

                        And the opposing team (systemic racism with privilege) is a bunch of losers.

                        And the new color TV is nice too

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                          @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                          Even Barr quashed a plea deal where Chauvin agreed to go to prison for 10 years. It’s clear as day that Chauvin had his knee on the neck of an unresponsive mentally ill man. When the police not only don’t protect you from dying but stays on the neck for 4 minutes after he stops moving, it tells me you just never watched the video.

                          https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ag-barr-quashed-plea-deal-fired-officer-derek-chauvin-george-n1257457

                          This is getting silly.

                          Now the overreach on “systemic racism”, and defund the police, that’s a worthy topic of debate.

                          No, what you are seeing is cellphone video. Bodycam video has never been released to the public. I'd like to see what led up to the arrest and restraint.

                          I think the Murder 3 was adequate. Floyd was high enough that just the drugs in his system could have impacted his breathing. The cop overdid it, but I believe he was using an approved technique.

                          Unless you have dealt with people like Floyd...High and possibly mentally ill, you just haven't had a fun day. I've been attacked with a butter knife, had a nude woman run through my work place screaming, etc.

                          I tackled the naked woman and I had both knees on her, pinning her down when the security guard ran up and told me I couldn't do that. I told Richard, "She's all yours". Then I propped up on the counter and laughed my ass off, as that woman whipped Richard's ass all over the lab.

                          But beside whether the cop was guilty or not, and besides how you handle mentally ill people in a combative situation, the fact remains that what we witnessed was not a fair trial. At the end of the day, the system has to be vuewed as fair and just...Or we don 't have any Justice at all...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                            Even Barr quashed a plea deal where Chauvin agreed to go to prison for 10 years. It’s clear as day that Chauvin had his knee on the neck of an unresponsive mentally ill man. When the police not only don’t protect you from dying but stays on the neck for 4 minutes after he stops moving, it tells me you just never watched the video.

                            https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ag-barr-quashed-plea-deal-fired-officer-derek-chauvin-george-n1257457

                            This is getting silly.

                            Now the overreach on “systemic racism”, and defund the police, that’s a worthy topic of debate.

                            No, what you are seeing is cellphone video. Bodycam video has never been released to the public. I'd like to see what led up to the arrest and restraint.

                            I think the Murder 3 was adequate. Floyd was high enough that just the drugs in his system could have impacted his breathing. The cop overdid it, but I believe he was using an approved technique.

                            Unless you have dealt with people like Floyd...High and possibly mentally ill, you just haven't had a fun day. I've been attacked with a butter knife, had a nude woman run through my work place screaming, etc.

                            I tackled the naked woman and I had both knees on her, pinning her down when the security guard ran up and told me I couldn't do that. I told Richard, "She's all yours". Then I propped up on the counter and laughed my ass off, as that woman whipped Richard's ass all over the lab.

                            But beside whether the cop was guilty or not, and besides how you handle mentally ill people in a combative situation, the fact remains that what we witnessed was not a fair trial. At the end of the day, the system has to be vuewed as fair and just...Or we don 't have any Justice at all...

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                            @jolly said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                            At the end of the day, the system has to be vuewed as fair and just...Or we don 't have any Justice at all...

                            Today, for this case, you do not view it as “fair and just.” Had the case been decided another way, it would just be some other people who would not view it as “fair and just.” In any given day, there will always be some people who do not view the system as “fair and just.”

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                              @jolly said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                              At the end of the day, the system has to be vuewed as fair and just...Or we don 't have any Justice at all...

                              Today, for this case, you do not view it as “fair and just.” Had the case been decided another way, it would just be some other people who would not view it as “fair and just.” In any given day, there will always be some people who do not view the system as “fair and just.”

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                              @axtremus said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                              @jolly said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                              At the end of the day, the system has to be vuewed as fair and just...Or we don 't have any Justice at all...

                              Today, for this case, you do not view it as “fair and just.” Had the case been decided another way, it would just be some other people who would not view it as “fair and just.” In any given day, there will always be some people who do not view the system as “fair and just.”

                              Ax, in this case it was pretty universally known that “cities everywhere would burn” if Chauvin was acquitted. Even people in congress said (and encouraged) that. I think it’s pretty objective to describe this trial was not exactly fair and just. Regardless of the verdict, the threat of the mob absolutely was felt in the courtroom.

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                                Loki
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                                #27

                                The video I posted is police body cam raw footage. Thus far no one here has commented on it after watching it.

                                The jury got it right.

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                                • L Loki

                                  The video I posted is police body cam raw footage. Thus far no one here has commented on it after watching it.

                                  The jury got it right.

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                                  @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                  The video I posted is police body cam raw footage. Thus far no one here has commented on it after watching it.

                                  The jury got it right.

                                  I saw the raw footage months ago, which is what I based my opinion on that I only saw evidence supporting a 2nd degree manslaughter charge, not murder. In that view, the jury got it wrong. Everyone has an opinion.

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                                  • 89th8 89th

                                    @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                    The video I posted is police body cam raw footage. Thus far no one here has commented on it after watching it.

                                    The jury got it right.

                                    I saw the raw footage months ago, which is what I based my opinion on that I only saw evidence supporting a 2nd degree manslaughter charge, not murder. In that view, the jury got it wrong. Everyone has an opinion.

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                                    Loki
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                                    @89th said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                    @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                    The video I posted is police body cam raw footage. Thus far no one here has commented on it after watching it.

                                    The jury got it right.

                                    I saw the raw footage months ago, which is what I based my opinion on that I only saw evidence supporting a 2nd degree manslaughter charge, not murder. In that view, the jury got it wrong. Everyone has an opinion.

                                    Typically, second-degree murder is defined as murder that is not premeditated, or murder that is caused by the offender's reckless conduct that displays an obvious lack of concern for human life.

                                    So what do you disagree with, reckless conduct or lack of concern for human life?

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                                    • L Loki

                                      @89th said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                      @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                      The video I posted is police body cam raw footage. Thus far no one here has commented on it after watching it.

                                      The jury got it right.

                                      I saw the raw footage months ago, which is what I based my opinion on that I only saw evidence supporting a 2nd degree manslaughter charge, not murder. In that view, the jury got it wrong. Everyone has an opinion.

                                      Typically, second-degree murder is defined as murder that is not premeditated, or murder that is caused by the offender's reckless conduct that displays an obvious lack of concern for human life.

                                      So what do you disagree with, reckless conduct or lack of concern for human life?

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                                      @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                      @89th said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                      @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                      The video I posted is police body cam raw footage. Thus far no one here has commented on it after watching it.

                                      The jury got it right.

                                      I saw the raw footage months ago, which is what I based my opinion on that I only saw evidence supporting a 2nd degree manslaughter charge, not murder. In that view, the jury got it wrong. Everyone has an opinion.

                                      Typically, second-degree murder is defined as murder that is not premeditated, or murder that is caused by the offender's reckless conduct that displays an obvious lack of concern for human life.

                                      So what do you disagree with, reckless conduct or lack of concern for human life?

                                      That’s not the standard in Minnesota. 2nd degree requires an intent to kill the victim. I don’t know that they proved an intent to kill on Chauvin’s end.

                                      https://statelaws.findlaw.com/minnesota-law/minnesota-second-degree-murder.html

                                      Frankly, the finding of guilt for 3rd Degree Murder was an even worse verdict.

                                      What I don’t get and never have is the multiple charges for the same crime.

                                      The Brad

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                        @89th said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                        @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                        The video I posted is police body cam raw footage. Thus far no one here has commented on it after watching it.

                                        The jury got it right.

                                        I saw the raw footage months ago, which is what I based my opinion on that I only saw evidence supporting a 2nd degree manslaughter charge, not murder. In that view, the jury got it wrong. Everyone has an opinion.

                                        Typically, second-degree murder is defined as murder that is not premeditated, or murder that is caused by the offender's reckless conduct that displays an obvious lack of concern for human life.

                                        So what do you disagree with, reckless conduct or lack of concern for human life?

                                        That’s not the standard in Minnesota. 2nd degree requires an intent to kill the victim. I don’t know that they proved an intent to kill on Chauvin’s end.

                                        https://statelaws.findlaw.com/minnesota-law/minnesota-second-degree-murder.html

                                        Frankly, the finding of guilt for 3rd Degree Murder was an even worse verdict.

                                        What I don’t get and never have is the multiple charges for the same crime.

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                                        @lufins-dad said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                        @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                        @89th said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                        @loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                        The video I posted is police body cam raw footage. Thus far no one here has commented on it after watching it.

                                        The jury got it right.

                                        I saw the raw footage months ago, which is what I based my opinion on that I only saw evidence supporting a 2nd degree manslaughter charge, not murder. In that view, the jury got it wrong. Everyone has an opinion.

                                        Typically, second-degree murder is defined as murder that is not premeditated, or murder that is caused by the offender's reckless conduct that displays an obvious lack of concern for human life.

                                        So what do you disagree with, reckless conduct or lack of concern for human life?

                                        That’s not the standard in Minnesota. 2nd degree requires an intent to kill the victim. I don’t know that they proved an intent to kill on Chauvin’s end.

                                        https://statelaws.findlaw.com/minnesota-law/minnesota-second-degree-murder.html

                                        Frankly, the finding of guilt for 3rd Degree Murder was an even worse verdict.

                                        What I don’t get and never have is the multiple charges for the same crime.

                                        He was convicted of second degree unintentional murder. Read the Minnesota definition and I think you may change your mind.

                                        609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
                                        Subdivision 1.Intentional murder; drive-by shootings. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
                                        (1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation; or
                                        (2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit a drive-by shooting in violation of section 609.66, subdivision 1e, under circumstances other than those described in section 609.185, paragraph (a), clause (3).
                                        Subd. 2.Unintentional murders. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
                                        (1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or
                                        (2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

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                                          @axtremus said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                          @jolly said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:

                                          At the end of the day, the system has to be vuewed as fair and just...Or we don 't have any Justice at all...

                                          Today, for this case, you do not view it as “fair and just.” Had the case been decided another way, it would just be some other people who would not view it as “fair and just.” In any given day, there will always be some people who do not view the system as “fair and just.”

                                          Dear Ax,
                                          You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.

                                                   Sincerely,
                                          
                                                              Jolly
                                          

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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